Christopher McNabb wrote: version that archives issue. requires versions That's probably 3.6x. Sadly, Frank da Cruz no longer keeps older versions of Kermit online (something I regret, as periodically I need to find yet another version for some newly-acquired machine, and also because I dislike the bloat that happened between C-Kermit 5 and 6). Luckily there are other places to find it. Thanks to Tim Shoppa, several DECUS tapes are available which have versions of Kermit-11. It's usually in account (directory) [356,040] on the tapes which included it. Look for the file k11ins.rno (or k11ins.doc, which is a flat ASCII file but most servers wrongly assign a MIME type of application/msword to it, just because of the suffix) for release notes. .rno is a RUNOFF file, the source for a document processing system akin to (but much older than) troff. 3.51 (Spring 1986) runs under 7.2 but doesn't handle binary files properly, and only builds under 8.0 or later. It's at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rsx /decus/rsx86a/356040/ 2.30 (June 1985) says: "This is release 2.30 of Kermit-11. It requires RSTS version 7.2 or later, RSX11M v4.0 or later, or RSX11M Plus version 2.0 or later, or RT11 version 4.0 or later, or P/OS version 2.0 or PRO/RT11 version 5.1 Minimum system requirements to run Kermit: RSTS v7.2 or later, with multiple private delimiters" It's at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rsx /decus/rsx85a/356040/ 2.17 (August 1984) says "This is release 2.17 of Kermit-11 for RSTS and RSX11M/M+. It requires RSTS version 7.2 or later, RSX11M v4.0 or later, or RSX11M Plus version 2.0 or later, or RT11 version 4.0 or later. Minimum system requirements to assemble and link Kermit RSTS v8.0 or later, with multiple private delimiters and RMS V2 Kermit-11 will run on RSX11M version 4.0 and RSTS/E version 7.2 as long as the task was built without using RMSRES. To be able to build KERMIT on RSTS version 7.2 or RSX version 4.0 you will have to get RMSLIB.OLB and MAC.TSK from RSX v4.1 or RSTS v8.0." It's at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rsx /decus/rsx84a/356040/ Most of these have pre-built binaries in the form of .hex files; these are flat-ASCII hex representations of the binary, intended to be stuffed over a serial line by a simple terminal emulator or whatever, in case you don't already have Kermit or something similar to transfer a binary. There are also de-hexifier programs in various forms (BASIC, FORTRAN, C, etc). Most of those directories also include other verisons of Kermit (ie, not for DEC OSs). I discovered that last URL I gave has C-Kermit 4C :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York