IIRC, there are enough signals just on the single 96-pin connector which comes on the single-sized VME (3U?) boards. It's those to which I was referring when I advocated adopting the VME for generalized development. I've never seen a 2nd-hand VME board for sale anywhere. The 2nd hand boards (wirewrap types) I looked at once, were actually MB-II format, and, at junk dealer prices were at $200 each. Here in the Denver area they don't appear to be as available. I see SUN stuff on the junk piles from time to time, but nobody seems to want that stuff. I surely don't need another line of outdated computers. Now, I don't go to HAMfests, or HAM anything elses, and I'm not into dumpster diving. That might turn up something. Though I once sold VME wirewrap cards, I've never owned a VME-based system aside from some SUN hardware I had about 15 years ago, which might have had some inside. That stuff was for ultimate sale to a client, so I left my fingers off it. Dick -----Original Message----- From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: Re: OT: A call to arms (sort of)