2 Dec
2005
2 Dec
'05
7:47 a.m.
Doesn't that essentially get you a VIA EPIA motherboard (except for the
SCSI)? Only problem there is that it doesn't run OSX.
On my PC at home, although I have "legacy" ports on my Shuttle XPC, I don't
use them. I have a USB scanner and color printer. The laser printer is
attached to the network though a Netgear print server. The DV_cam connects
through FireWire and I use a card reader for the Memory Sticks from my Sony
camera. I have a 56k modem, but it's internal. I don't really have any
daily-use peripherals that use legacy ports. If I need, I have several other
machines that I could use.
I personally have not had a problem with USB but maybe I'm not looking hard
enough :-)
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:30 AM
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Mac Mini
Adrian Graham wrote:
I
On 2/12/05 02:34, "Scott Stevens"
<chenmel at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> My only issue with it is that it only has 2 USB ports and no mic input
so
by
>> the time you've got your kbd/mouse plugged
in your remaining port is
taken
>> up by the USB sound module though I guess I
could plug that into the
>> keyboard too.....the hard drive is also slow....
>>
> Can't you just plug a USB hub into one of the ports, and make it into a
big
maze of cables
if that suits your desires?
Yes, and belkin produce such a thing that's the same shape as the mini but feel that that's not the point of the machine.
Yep, personally I'd only buy a Mac mini if it was 10-20% bigger and came
with
some real ports - say serial, parallel, and SCSI. Then it'd be a nice
compact
well-designed machine with some useful connectivity too. It seems that no
matter what the USB-advocates say, bodging that sort of stuff on top of
Universal Screwed-up Bus plain doesn't work...
cheers
J.
2 Dec
2 Dec
8:52 a.m.
Cini, Richard wrote:
I'd like to try OSX, and suspect I'd quite like it - after all it's Unix, with
a GUI on top by people who probably know more about the game than anyone else,
and supposedly the integration between the two is very good.
Yep,
personally I'd only buy a Mac mini if it was 10-20% bigger and came
with some real ports - say serial, parallel, and SCSI.
Doesn't that essentially get you a VIA EPIA motherboard (except for the
SCSI)? Only problem there is that it doesn't run OSX. On my PC at home, although I have "legacy"
ports on my Shuttle XPC, I don't
use them. I have a USB scanner and color printer. The laser printer is
attached to the network though a Netgear print server. The DV_cam connects
through FireWire and I use a card reader for the Memory Sticks from my Sony
camera. I have a 56k modem, but it's internal. I don't really have any
daily-use peripherals that use legacy ports. If I need, I have several other
machines that I could use.
My desktop machine uses SCSI for connection to the DAT drive, CD burner,
'backup' hard disk (when it's plugged in) and for archive of vintage disks,
all up on top of the desk - plus DVDROM, CDROM and hard disks internally are
all SCSI. Oh, and the SCSI scanner on the rare occasions that I use it.
Parallel's used for the printer and for occasional futzing around with
homebrew projects.
Serial's used for my EPROM/PAL programmer, console for various machines when
needed, and file transfer to/from vintage machines. If I ever need to hook up
a modem, that'd be serial too (I don't like cards sitting in machines doing
nothing 99% of the time!)
If I were to replace that with a big tower Mac of some kind, all I'd gain was
the ability to run OSX, but wouldn't save any space. If I were to use a Mac
mini, I couldn't do half the stuff that I do with the current desktop PC :)
(I don't dispute that there's a huge market for them from people who just want
a machine for everyday office-type apps. Just wish there was a version with
more connectivity for us hacker types! :)
I personally have not had a problem with USB but maybe
I'm not looking hard
enough :-)
It never seems to do things quite as well as native ports - e.g. I could add
various USB-to-whatever adapters, but they'd likely be flaky and not
particularly efficient.
Seems fine for digital cameras and webcams and portable storage devices. (I do
use USB on my main PC for the digital camera connection)
Oddly enough, scanners don't seem to have progressed at all though despite a
switch from paralle/SCSI to USB. The mechanism's still the same speed as ever;
I can only assume because they're still limited by data transfer rate to the host.
Seems like some marketing type once said "hey, lets have a common bus for
every external device, even though they all do different things and run at
different speeds", and somehow it became reality. Nobody learned from the SCSI
years (where it typically becomes a disaster if connecting anything other than
a storage device :)
cheers
Jules
11:08 a.m.
Nobody learned from the SCSI years (where it typically
becomes a
disaster if connecting anything other than a storage device :)
Well, the one non-storage SCSI device I have - a scanner - plays fine
with the rest of the SCSI bus on the machine I use it on. The only way
in whichi it has a downside is that it has to be at the end of the bus
because it has only one connector. (This could probably be fixed by
opening the case and dremeling a new hole...unless the terminator is
non-disableable.)
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12:36 p.m.
For those of us who like to play with homebrew hardware, one of the
handiest general-purpose interfaces out there is the PC parallel port I I
suspect its also why a lot of engineers keep a copy of MS-DOS somewhere in
their files). Articles for how to create some simple device attaching to
the PC parallel port still appear in EDN's "Ideas for Design" section.
What comparable facility is there on the new Macs?
I do remember the MS-floated idea of PC-98--the white paper is buried
somewhere in my collection of MSDN CDROMs. No keyboard or mouse port, no
serial port, no parallel port, no floppy controller. It's all gonna be USB
by-and-by with Frewire for faster devices. So maybe the Mini is a picture
of things to come. A small sealed box and a desktop littlered with other
boxes. Don't know about wires--maybe it'll all be Bluetooth.
I hope not--it'd take some of the fun out of fooling around with the
hardware.
Cheers,
Chuck
4:05 p.m.
I do remember the MS-floated idea of PC-98--the white
paper is buried
somewhere in my collection of MSDN CDROMs. No keyboard or
mouse port, no serial port, no parallel port, no floppy controller.
It's all gonna be USB
USB is something of a miracle I'd have to say. Many good success
stories here. Most recent one, getting a Keyboard/Mouse adaptor
for $22 at Staples and having it "just work" on a G4 tower... This after
carefully reading the packing and finding *not one* word saying that
it would work on Macs. Have problems with USB Hubs over W98se
though.. I tend to chalk these up to Win shortcomings.
John A.
4:24 p.m.
John Allain wrote:
USB is something of a miracle I'd have to say. Many good success
stories here. Most recent one, getting a Keyboard/Mouse adaptor
for $22 at Staples and having it "just work" on a G4 tower... This after
carefully reading the packing and finding *not one* word saying that
it would work on Macs. Have problems with USB Hubs over W98se
though.. I tend to chalk these up to Win shortcomings.
I'm currently using a Dell usb keyboard on my G4 under Tiger, with a
little app that remaps the "alt" and "ctrl" keys to "option"
and
"command". Also remapped F12 to work as the cd-eject key. Remapped
Dashboard to fire under F8.
Worked nicely in a pinch when my Apple clear mushboard stopped working
one night...
USB2 on my xp box is problematic - I have a Plextor external dvd burner
mapped as X:. Whenever I connect the flash card reader, Windows
suddenly forgets that the burner is there until I unplug it and re-plug.
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7:09 p.m.
USB is something of a miracle I'd have to say.
Many good success
USB seems to me to be the interfacing equivalent of certain GUI-based
systems, in that it makes easy jobs trivial and difficult jobs almost
impossible.
USB probably works fine if you want to do what the manufacturers
intended. But if, like me, you want to hack about, it appears it would
really get in the way...
I think I've mentioned before that my old-ish HP calculators have
built-in RS232 ports. HP's intention was that you linked these to a PC
and saved/loaded stuff (there's kermit and Xmodem in ROM on the
calculator). But they work equally well to link to a serial printer or to
a home-made data logger, or...
The replacement has a USB port. It probably works fine with a PC to
load/save programs and data. But it won't link to a printer or to a data
logger or....
Since learnign how to wire an RS232 cable, I've never had any problems
with RS232 interfaces if the documentation is complete (and if it's not,
it's not that hard to work out what signals are needed).
Of course the fact that none of my computers have, or could have, a USB
interface is another matter....
Oddly, not being a programmer, I much prefer a command-line driven system
to a GUI.
-tony
7:04 p.m.
On Fri, December 2, 2005 5:36 pm, Chuck Guzis said:
For those of us who like to play with homebrew
hardware, one of the
handiest general-purpose interfaces out there is the PC parallel port I I
suspect its also why a lot of engineers keep a copy of MS-DOS somewhere in
their files). Articles for how to create some simple device attaching to
the PC parallel port still appear in EDN's "Ideas for Design" section.
What comparable facility is there on the new Macs?
Nothing, because they're not aimed at people who play with homebrewed
hardware, neither I suspect are current PCs because that's not where the
money is. New Macs are aimed at the market they've always been aimed at -
graphics and media. Mac Minis are aimed at people who just use PCs for
browsing/email/office/light graphics/music.
of things to come. A small sealed box and a desktop
littlered with other
boxes. Don't know about wires--maybe it'll all be Bluetooth.
Have you seen reports of the new Acorn RiscOS machine that is a
cassette-sized metal box containing everything you need to do mac mini
type stuff? Well worth checking out and I wish I could remember the URL of
the article I was reading! It'll be buried somewhere in
www.theregister.co.uk or www.silicon.com or www.theinquirer.net :)
--
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8 Dec
8 Dec
1:55 p.m.
On 03/12/05, Witchy <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> wrote:
Have you seen reports of the new Acorn RiscOS machine
that is a
cassette-sized metal box containing everything you need to do mac mini
type stuff? Well worth checking out and I wish I could remember the URL of
the article I was reading! It'll be buried somewhere in
www.theregister.co.uk or www.silicon.com or www.theinquirer.net :)
That'd be my piece on the Inquirer, then. :?) Glad you liked it.
http://theinquirer.net/?article=27857
(Also see http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1496.html ).
Neat little box. Expensive, though, and only USB1.
Hi, BTW. We met at last year's Classic Gaming Expo in Croydon, as I
recall. I was interested in your VTech Laser 200, 'cos I wrote the
wikipedia article on it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTech_Laser_200
... but I'd never seen actual hardware before.
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2:10 p.m.
Have you seen
reports of the new Acorn RiscOS machine that is a
cassette-sized metal box containing everything you need to do mac mini
type stuff? Well worth checking out and I wish I could remember the URL of
the article I was reading! It'll be buried somewhere in
www.theregister.co.uk or www.silicon.com or www.theinquirer.net :)
That'd be my piece on the Inquirer, then. :_) Glad you liked it.
2:39 p.m.
n 12/8/2005 at 11:10 AM Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Wow! Any chance of this being sold in the USA?
I don't know if it would sell, given the high price point in direct
competition with the better-peripherally-equipped Mac Mini at USD$ 499
msrp. Heck, my modem (which cost USD$60) has more memory, flash and a
StrongARM processor in addition to USB, wireless and 10base100 ethernet.
Doesn't have video, though, but I can telnet to it.
I'd love to get my hands on one of those USD$100 PCs that proposed for
deployment in India.
Cheers,
Chuck
2:47 p.m.
On 08/12/05, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
I'm sure Advantage6 will ship it anywhere you like! :-)
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That'd be
my piece on the Inquirer, then. :_) Glad you liked it.
Wow! Any chance of this being sold in the USA?
2 Dec
2 Dec
6:55 p.m.
On Fri, December 2, 2005 1:52 pm, Jules Richardson said:
a GUI on top by people who probably know more about
the game than anyone
else,
and supposedly the integration between the two is very good.
Works for me,
(I don't dispute that there's a huge market
for them from people who just
want
a machine for everyday office-type apps. Just wish there was a version
with more connectivity for us hacker types! :)
That'll be the tower G3 or G4 then.....several PCI slots available for
whatever you want, yes you have to buy add-on cards but I doubt they'll be
expensive. As for OS support I was fairly gobsmacked to find that a G3
with OS9 will recognise my Compaq CRT, NEC LCD and USB several-button
mouse without me having to do anything.
It never seems to do things quite as well as native
ports - e.g. I could
add
various USB-to-whatever adapters, but they'd likely be flaky and not
particularly efficient.
Naah. Perhaps back in the dark days of 'new' USB 1.0 but in the last 4 or
5 years it's been grand. Remember USB features many things dragged over
from the Atari SIO so it has a good legacy.....
every external device, even though they all do
different things and run at
different speeds", and somehow it became reality. Nobody learned from the
SCSI
years (where it typically becomes a disaster if connecting anything other
than a storage device :)
Not quite, Apple came up with their implementation of the serial IEEE 1394
bus and called it 'firewire', all of a sudden the PC people were playing
the catch-up game again.
The thing that I haven't read much about yet is the relationship between
said Atari SIO, USB and the first Firewire implementation. I think we're
safe to assume that Firewire scared the PC brigade. Anyone with more
intimate knowledge care to comment?
--
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www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UKs biggest home computer collection?
6:41 p.m.
On Fri, December 2, 2005 12:47 pm, Cini, Richard said:
On my PC at home, although I have "legacy" ports on my Shuttle XPC, I
don't
use them. I have a USB scanner and color printer. The laser printer is
attached to the network though a Netgear print server. The DV_cam connects
through FireWire and I use a card reader for the Memory Sticks from my
Sony camera.
Same here apart from the firewire stuff since I don't have anything that
uses it.
I personally have not had a problem with USB but maybe
I'm not looking
hard
enough :-)
I love USB - as a field engineer who has to deal with misbehaving PCs on a
far too regular basis* I find my USB key with SLAX Linux installed sorts
out an awful lot of the virus stroke worm problems we get in, also with
Alpha VMS 8.x I get true USB support on Alphas...rah! For PCs that won't
boot USB I've got a SLAX CD to boot which sets up a RAM disk like all the
other bootable distros but allows me to add modules from the USB key on an
ad-hoc basis.
*I should point out my speciality is VAX/Alpha but I have to know the M$
stuff too :o|
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5 Dec
5 Dec
9:52 a.m.
Witchy wrote:
On Fri, December 2, 2005 12:47 pm, Cini, Richard
said:
So do I, but my last laptop purchase was more influenced by
availability of all standard ports rather than graphics or even CPU
speed. I ended up buying a model that I'm sure is going to
be discontinued soon. But USB-based serial ports are unreliable
for me. I need to connect reliably to older development systems
as well (microcontroller, dsp, PLC, burners, lab instruments) and
cannot afford not to have a real serial port and a real parallel port.
Of course, the laptop I chose also has IR, Firewire, USB, bluetooth,
WiFi, LAN... it was the only Dell model that came standard with all
of that. Funny; I had zero flexibility once I decided that I wanted
all of those ports.
Carlos.
On my PC at home, although I have
"legacy" ports on my Shuttle XPC, I
don't
use them. I have a USB scanner and color printer. The laser printer is
attached to the network though a Netgear print server. The DV_cam connects
through FireWire and I use a card reader for the Memory Sticks from my
Sony camera.
Same here apart from the firewire stuff since I don't have
anything that
uses it.
I personally have not had a problem with USB but
maybe I'm not looking
hard
enough :-)
I love USB -
2 Dec
2 Dec
6:58 p.m.
Doesn't that essentially get you a VIA EPIA motherboard (except for the
SCSI)? Only problem there is that it doesn't run OSX.
On my PC at home, although I have "legacy" ports on my Shuttle XPC, I
don't
use them. I have a USB scanner and color printer. The laser printer is
attached to the network though a Netgear print server. The DV_cam connects
through FireWire and I use a card reader for the Memory Sticks from my Sony
camera. I have a 56k modem, but it's internal. I don't really have any
Err, where do you connect the EPROM programmer, the IC tester, the cable
wirelister, the GAL programmer, the serial link to the PDP11, the
GPIB-interfaced instruemtns [1], the HP calculator, and various other
things that generally get hung off my PC ?
[1] Does a USB-GPIB interface exist? I assume it must do, but I've not
seen one (I've not seriously looked either, my GPIB stuff is generally
controller by HP hosts [2])
[2] I've managed to find the HPIB interface for the 9830. A load of TTL
gates and almost no FFs. As soon as I get some space on the bench, I'll
get it going...
-tony
3 Dec
3 Dec
10:18 a.m.
On 12/3/05, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[1] Does a USB-GPIB interface exist? I assume it must
do, but I've not
seen one (I've not seriously looked either, my GPIB stuff is generally
controller by HP hosts [2])
I think I've seen one - not cheap, but neither are PCI GPIB cards - if
you need one, you *need* one and will pay.
I've had the good fortune to rescue a couple of ISA GPIB cards, and
one NuBus GPIB card. Never gotten a PCI GPIB for free, though. :-(
-ethan
5:50 p.m.
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:18:33 +1300
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/05, Tony Duell <ard at
p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I have an old Mac II (the big case, the huge number of NuBus
slots, etc.) that has a GPIB card in it. Actually it has two
National Instruments cards in it and Labview on the hard drive.
Very early Labview. I got it at a University Auction a few years
ago and realized it was a complete system set up for Data
Acquisition, and saved it as a unit.
Went to the IUPUI Auction this morning, came home with a lot of
modern junk, a pile of Sun Pizzaboxes, a Mac IIci, and a nice Mac
SE. Up until now the only 'compact Macs' I have had are SE/30's
and a Plus. I am going to have to dig around to see if I can find
a MacOS version on 800K disks, as the SE is one that only has an
800K floppy (according to the label on the back). Is it possible
to swap in a newer Superdrive? I have piles and piles of those.
Not sure if I want to, though, it 'spoils the patina' on the SE to
start yanking out parts and changing it.
Note- Pentium III machines have finally become 'old' enough that
you can get a whole pile of them really cheap in a bulk bid at an
auction, after everybody has picked over and got their single
systems out of the group up for auction. And to think I consider
a Pentium III system to be an 'up to date' system. . .
[1] Does a USB-GPIB interface exist? I assume it
must do, but
I've not seen one (I've not seriously looked either, my GPIB
stuff is generally controller by HP hosts [2])
I think I've seen one - not cheap, but neither are PCI GPIB
cards - if you need one, you *need* one and will pay.
I've had the good fortune to rescue a couple of ISA GPIB cards,
and one NuBus GPIB card. Never gotten a PCI GPIB for free,
though. :-(
10:34 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
[1] Does a USB-GPIB interface exist? I assume it must
do, but I've not
seen one (I've not seriously looked either, my GPIB stuff is generally
controller by HP hosts [2])
http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=482383&match_cri…
These guys (Spark Fun) have some very cool little assemblies that adapt
various SMT devices to pin headers, and reasonably priced.
12:38 p.m.
On 12/3/05, Jim Kearney <jim at jkearney.com> wrote:
http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=482383&match_cri…
These guys (Spark Fun) have some very cool little assemblies that adapt
various SMT devices to pin headers, and reasonably priced.
Interesting device. Looks like it only lets you capture data off of
the GPIB bus and cannot be used to control devices on the bus.
The usual players sell complete USB based controllers around the same
price as their PCI based controllers.
National Instruments GPIB-USB-HS or GPIB-USB-B $495
Agilent 82357A USB/GPIB Interface $499
5 Dec
5 Dec
4 a.m.
Am 2 Dec 2005 23:58 meinte Tony Duell:
[1] Does a USB-GPIB interface exist? I assume it must
do, but I've not
seen one (I've not seriously looked either, my GPIB stuff is generally
controller by HP hosts [2])
I use this little bugger:
http://www.techsoft.de/htbasic/german/82357am.shtml
Quite nice one.
H.
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3:51 a.m.
New subject: USB and such (was: Mac Mini)
Am 2 Dec 2005 7:47 meinte Cini, Richard:
On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
> Yep, personally I'd only buy a Mac mini if it
was 10-20% bigger and came
> with some real ports - say serial, parallel, and SCSI. Then it'd be a nice
> compact well-designed machine with some useful connectivity too. It seems
> that no matter what the USB-advocates say, bodging that sort of stuff on
> top of Universal Screwed-up Bus plain doesn't work...
Well, what do you need? USB is a prety good system and delivers an
interface for all actual stuff I ever need. Originaly I was also
quite sceptic of USB, but after digging into the low level structure,
I became somewhat of an evangelist (*1). And if you realy want to
do high speed disks there's still the fire wire port for high
thruput to a single device (*2).
Printers (at least the ones I tried) run faster on USB, and I can't
find any real reason for serial on an average Desktop anymore (*3).
Last but the not least, the usual 'I still have a 10 MB SCSI drive
I want to connect isn't realy an argument.
Doesn't that essentially get you a VIA EPIA
motherboard (except for the
SCSI)? Only problem there is that it doesn't run OSX.
Well, for the PC-World, such little EPIA boxes are what I usualy
recommend to (non tech *4) people. small, silent, and more than
they ever need to run Word.
Gruss
H.
*1 - In fact, if I had to design a new system today, I would use
USB as a bus structure to be used for add on cards. Simple
handling, no interface problems, no electrical problems,easy
driver structure and fast enough for almost everything, even
including graphics.
To be OT again: does anybody remember the PC375 that used
SCSI as bus system for it's I/O cards? USB _IS_ todays SCSI.
*2 - If disk size and speed is THAT cruical, the MiniMe might be
the wrong choice in the first place. Get yourself a big fat
tower.
*3 - If someone comes up with DSL or Modems here, I would suggest
that by jumping from a bridge it's more fun to loose your mind.
A router costs a few bucks and takes away a whole universe of
problems.
*4 - And I learned that even a lot of tech educated people like
the idea of a small 'just-use-it' box.
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5:27 a.m.
New subject: USB and such
Hans Franke wrote:
Am 2 Dec 2005 7:47 meinte Cini, Richard:
*1 - In fact, if I had to design a new system today, I would use
USB as a bus structure to be used for add on cards. Simple
handling, no interface problems, no electrical problems,easy
driver structure and fast enough for almost everything, even
including graphics.
Can you by any chance point me in a direction where to find
documentation about USB? Would I need special licenses to obtain the specs?
I would like to have the hardware programming information.
TIA,
bert
5:58 a.m.
New subject: USB and such
Bert Thomas wrote:
Hans Franke wrote:
A good place to start would be the NetBSD kernel. That's more of a
"worked example" than spec, but if you're interested in writing code
that uses USB it's probably the best implementation.
Gordon.
Am 2 Dec 2005 7:47 meinte Cini, Richard:
*1 - In fact, if I had to design a new system today, I would use
USB as a bus structure to be used for add on cards. Simple
handling, no interface problems, no electrical problems,easy
driver structure and fast enough for almost everything, even
including graphics.
Can you by any chance point me in a direction where to find
documentation about USB? Would I need special licenses to obtain the specs?
I would like to have the hardware programming information.
7:39 a.m.
New subject: USB and such
Am 5 Dec 2005 11:27 meinte Bert Thomas:
Hans Franke wrote:
> Am 2 Dec 2005 7:47 meinte Cini, Richard:
> *1 - In fact, if I had to design a new system
today, I would use
> USB as a bus structure to be used for add on cards. Simple
> handling, no interface problems, no electrical problems,easy
> driver structure and fast enough for almost everything, even
> including graphics.
Can you by any chance point me in a direction where to
find
documentation about USB? Would I need special licenses to obtain the specs?
I would like to have the hardware programming information.
As for myself, I started out with the USB documentation,
as found on the USB.ORG site the data sheets of two 8 Bit
USB host controlers and a book called USB Design by Example
from Intel Press (And another book even better one ...
just
I can't remember the title).
Both give a rather nice step by step introduction into priciples
and whereabouts. Of course the Intel book uses quite some
windows code, incudeing how to write drivers and so on. It
alos covers very broad the device side and how to attach
various CPUs.
H.
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2:02 p.m.
New subject: USB and such
Bert Thomas wrote:
Can you by any chance point me in a direction where to find
documentation about USB? Would I need special licenses to obtain the
specs?
I would like to have the hardware programming information.
I think all usb stuff is buy the 'chip', who needs hardware doc's. :(
You know I still remember when USB cables were are $100 to plug into
to a motherboard so you could have USB.
TIA,
bert
10:04 p.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
My best friend got his start in computing with a SYM-1 and I'd like to
get him one for Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one for sale?
tnx!
g.
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6 Dec
6 Dec
12:22 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This year for Chanukah, I want an
original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a Sharp Pocket Diary
(circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:05 PM
To: General at deltasoft.com; Discussion at deltasoft.com :On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts
Subject: Need a SYM-1...
My best friend got his start in computing with a SYM-1 and I'd like to get
him one for Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one for sale?
tnx!
g.
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12:55 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
Is Sanata (AKA Sellam) on the list anymore?
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at
computercollector.com>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Need a SYM-1...
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This
year for Chanukah, I want
an
original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a
Sharp Pocket Diary
(circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:05 PM
To: General at deltasoft.com; Discussion at deltasoft.com :On-Topic and
Off-Topic
Posts
Subject: Need a SYM-1...
My best friend got his start in computing with a SYM-1 and I'd like to get
him one for Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one for sale?
tnx!
g.
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1 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
Not officially. But it wouldn't surprise me if he were lurking under an
assumed identity.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Teo Zenios
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:56 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Need a SYM-1...
Is Sanata (AKA Sellam) on the list anymore?
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at
computercollector.com>
To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Need a SYM-1...
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This
year for Chanukah, I want
an
original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a
Sharp Pocket Diary
(circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:05 PM
To: General at deltasoft.com; Discussion at deltasoft.com :On-Topic and
Off-Topic
Posts
Subject: Need a SYM-1...
My best friend got his start in computing with a SYM-1 and I'd like to get
him one for Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one for sale?
tnx!
g.
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5:36 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
Am 6 Dec 2005 1:00 meinte 'Computer Collector Newslette:
On Behalf Of Teo Zenios
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:56 AM
> Is Sanata (AKA Sellam) on the list anymore?
Not officially. But it wouldn't surprise me if he
were lurking under an
assumed identity.
Naa, not even that. Beeing a new dad changed quite some of his
priorities.
H.
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1:18 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
On 12/6/2005 at 12:22 AM 'Computer Collector Newsletter' wrote:
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This year
for Chanukah, I want
an
original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a Sharp Pocket Diary
(circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
How early? I've got a Grid 1040, which is definitely pre-Tandy. Has a NEC
V30 in it, which gives better battery life than the original 8086. 20MB
Prarietech 2.5" HD loaded with Grid's variant of MS-DOS. Not a bad little
box.
Cheers,
Chuck
1:31 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
Thanks, but by "early" I mean a Compass 1101. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:18 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Need a SYM-1...
On 12/6/2005 at 12:22 AM 'Computer Collector Newsletter' wrote:
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This year
for Chanukah, I
want an original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a Sharp
Pocket Diary (circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
How early? I've got a Grid 1040, which is definitely pre-Tandy. Has a NEC
V30 in it, which gives better battery life than the original 8086. 20MB
Prarietech 2.5" HD loaded with Grid's variant of MS-DOS. Not a bad little
box.
Cheers,
Chuck
5:36 a.m.
New subject: Need a SYM-1...
Am 6 Dec 2005 0:22 meinte 'Computer Collector Newslette:
On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
> My best friend got his start in computing with a
SYM-1 and I'd like to get
> him one for Christmas. Does anyone on the list have one for sale?
We're posting holiday wish lists? Cool! This
year for Chanukah, I want an
original Grid Systems laptop (circa early 1980s) and a Sharp Pocket Diary
(circa 1975, and I'm not sure if it actually exists.)
Too bad, I just gave one away to a friend of mine ... you should have stated
your wish just 3 weeks ago. After all, it's just a PeeCee.
H.
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