9 Jan
2002
9 Jan
'02
4:24 p.m.
Just curious: anybody here ever see a TV show back
in the 80's called Bits and Bytes, exploring the
PETs, Apples, TI99's etc. of the day and starring
Billy Van (Laugh-In) and Luba Goy (Cdn Air Farce)?
mike
9 Jan
9 Jan
7:35 p.m.
I don't remember that one, but I do remember the Computer Cronicles.... they
used to have a Radio Show every Sunday night at 9pm or so, then I recall
they had a TV show for a while after that, I think on PBS Public Educational
TV here in NYC, don't know where else.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "M H Stein" <mhstein(a)usa.net>
To: "'ClassicComputers'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 10:24 PM
Subject: Old TV show
Just curious: anybody here ever see a TV show back
in the 80's called Bits and Bytes, exploring the
PETs, Apples, TI99's etc. of the day and starring
Billy Van (Laugh-In) and Luba Goy (Cdn Air Farce)?
mike
10 Jan
10 Jan
3:27 a.m.
I don't remember that one, but I do remember the
Computer
Cronicles.... they used to have a Radio Show every Sunday
night at 9pm or so, then I recall they had a TV show for a while
after that, I think on PBS Public Educational TV here in NYC,
don't know where else.
Good old Stewart Chiefet. Think that show originated from KTEH
in Silly Valley. Great show. His co-Host for some time was Gary
Kildall of all people. It was pretty even handed. The MS Wonk
would give his presentation then somebody from nowhere would
be up showing how his SW could do just as well or better. Stewart
still lives on in the NYC area latenight on 'Net Cafe'. Absolutely on
topic since CC predated 1988. By how much I don't know.
It lives!: http://www.cmptv.com/computerchronicles/
John A.
4:37 a.m.
Hi John,
Yeah, thats right, everytime a MS product was shown, there was always a
Mac comparision, always lots of small startup software company people on
talking about great products they had, they would do a little helpdesk thing
sometimes, showing people common issues, they were very Mac centric in shows
which was cool too. Those shows were a lot of fun to watch (and listen to
on the Radio).... something to do while watching the lights of the Hayes
Smartmodem blinking away in the middle of the night knowing someone was on
your computer while it was running BBS software.... Man, I miss that
stuff!!!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Old TV show
I don't
remember that one, but I do remember the Computer
Cronicles.... they used to have a Radio Show every Sunday
night at 9pm or so, then I recall they had a TV show for a while
after that, I think on PBS Public Educational TV here in NYC,
don't know where else.
Good old Stewart Chiefet. Think that show originated from KTEH
in Silly Valley. Great show. His co-Host for some time was Gary
Kildall of all people. It was pretty even handed. The MS Wonk
would give his presentation then somebody from nowhere would
be up showing how his SW could do just as well or better. Stewart
still lives on in the NYC area latenight on 'Net Cafe'. Absolutely on
topic since CC predated 1988. By how much I don't know.
It lives!: http://www.cmptv.com/computerchronicles/
John A.
11 Jan
11 Jan
7:45 a.m.
Curt Vendel wrote:
Hi John,
Yeah, thats right, everytime a MS product was shown, there was always a
Mac comparision, always lots of small startup software company people on
talking about great products they had, they would do a little helpdesk thing
sometimes, showing people common issues, they were very Mac centric in shows
which was cool too. Those shows were a lot of fun to watch (and listen to
on the Radio).... something to do while watching the lights of the Hayes
Smartmodem blinking away in the middle of the night knowing someone was on
your computer while it was running BBS software.... Man, I miss that
stuff!!!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Old TV show
> > I don't remember that one, but I do remember the Computer
> > Cronicles.... they used to have a Radio Show every Sunday
> > night at 9pm or so, then I recall they had a TV show for a while
> > after that, I think on PBS Public Educational TV here in NYC,
> > don't know where else.
>
> Good old Stewart Chiefet. Think that show originated from KTEH
> in Silly Valley. Great show. His co-Host for some time was Gary
> Kildall of all people. It was pretty even handed. The MS Wonk
> would give his presentation then somebody from nowhere would
> be up showing how his SW could do just as well or better. Stewart
> still lives on in the NYC area latenight on 'Net Cafe'. Absolutely on
> topic since CC predated 1988. By how much I don't know.
>
> It lives!: http://www.cmptv.com/computerchronicles/
>
> John A.
>
Yes, I remember it well, back when I wa struggling to learn the innards
of my VIC-20. I* even remmber seeing the Video Toaster demo on there.
Too bad there isn't a show today like that, or should I say the
coporate geniuses at Microslop wouldn't 'allow' competitors to strut
their stuff.
Gary Hildebrand
7:52 a.m.
Too bad there isn't a show today like that, or should I say the
coporate geniuses at Microslop wouldn't 'allow' competitors to strut
their stuff.
Its interesting you say that.... I used to be a MS advocate (now now, calm down....) when
I saw products like Excel on both the PC and Mac and Windows was coming along (although
GEM on the ST's was far better, just those damned Atari STM-1 mice were horrible to
use) well as the years went by and saw how they were killing companies like Novell (of
course Novell hurt themselves for their own shortsightedness) and then the big competition
against IBM's OS/2 which was a far superior OS in my view. Well, when I started
hearing about small startup companies with great new products (many were the small java
based firms) and MS would swoop in, buy them up, put the products into some filing
cabinets and either fire or assimilate the employees and move on, thats when I realized
that competitors will never "strut their stuff" because the big MS will come
down and wipe them out. People wonder why so many hate MS.....
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Hildebrand" <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Old TV show
Curt Vendel wrote:
Hi John,
Yeah, thats right, everytime a MS product was shown, there was always a
Mac comparision, always lots of small startup software company people on
talking about great products they had, they would do a little helpdesk thing
sometimes, showing people common issues, they were very Mac centric in shows
which was cool too. Those shows were a lot of fun to watch (and listen to
on the Radio).... something to do while watching the lights of the Hayes
Smartmodem blinking away in the middle of the night knowing someone was on
your computer while it was running BBS software.... Man, I miss that
stuff!!!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Old TV show
> > I don't remember that one, but I do remember the Computer
> > Cronicles.... they used to have a Radio Show every Sunday
> > night at 9pm or so, then I recall they had a TV show for a while
> > after that, I think on PBS Public Educational TV here in NYC,
> > don't know where else.
>
> Good old Stewart Chiefet. Think that show originated from KTEH
> in Silly Valley. Great show. His co-Host for some time was Gary
> Kildall of all people. It was pretty even handed. The MS Wonk
> would give his presentation then somebody from nowhere would
> be up showing how his SW could do just as well or better. Stewart
> still lives on in the NYC area latenight on 'Net Cafe'. Absolutely on
> topic since CC predated 1988. By how much I don't know.
>
> It lives!: http://www.cmptv.com/computerchronicles/
>
> John A.
>
Yes, I remember it well, back when I wa struggling to learn the innards
of my VIC-20. I* even remmber seeing the Video Toaster demo on there.
Too bad there isn't a show today like that, or should I say the
coporate geniuses at Microslop wouldn't 'allow' competitors to strut
their stuff.
Gary Hildebrand
8:10 a.m.
Too bad there isn't a show today like that, or
should I say
the coporate geniuses at Microslop wouldn't 'allow' competitors
to strut their stuff.
I agree on your point on MS, but I should mention now that there's
another good show on (at present) called _"Digital Duo"_
http://www.digitalduo.com/, their hosts don't seem to have any
problem criticizing MS (with supporting arguments given).
And _"Net Cafe"_ aint bad either.
The number one reason why I'm not a member of WNET-NYPBS
now is that it seems to dump all these great shows at the drop of
a hat -- perhaps your PBS hasn't.
example quote:
http://www.digitalduo.com/412_dig.html
"Every couple of years, and sometimes more often than that, Microsoft
comes out with a massive upgrade of its Windows operating system.
Once in a while, it's a really major improvement, like Windows 95. But
a lot of times it's just a bunch of bug fixes that should have been offered
for free and maybe some cute new features. That was certainly the case
with Windows 98. Windows Me is decidedly in the bug-fix category except
that this time the new features turn out to be third-rate knockoffs of
other
people's software."
John A.
10 Jan
10 Jan
6:43 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, John Allain wrote:
Who was NOT present for the first years?
I don't
remember that one, but I do remember the Computer
Cronicles.... they used to have a Radio Show every Sunday
Good old Stewart
Chiefet. Think that show originated from KTEH
in Silly Valley.
KCSM. KTEH is great, but Jim Warren (who IS the one who started
the
show) had ties with college of San Mateo (for a while, he was on their
board of Trustees!)
Great show. His co-Host for some time was Gary
Kildall of all people.
I show my OS class a tape of their eulogy for him.
It was pretty even handed. The MS Wonk
would give his presentation then somebody from nowhere would
be up showing how his SW could do just as well or better. Stewart
still lives on in the NYC area latenight on 'Net Cafe'. Absolutely on
topic since CC predated 1988. By how much I don't know.
It lives!: http://www.cmptv.com/computerchronicles/
John A.
6:14 a.m.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
I don't remember that one, but I do remember the
Computer Cronicles.... they
used to have a Radio Show every Sunday night at 9pm or so, then I recall
they had a TV show for a while after that, I think on PBS Public Educational
TV here in NYC, don't know where else.
Computer Chronicles originated/originates out of KCSM, which is run by the
college of San Mateo (a community college). It was started by and
originally hosted by Jim Warren (who started a few dozen other ventures)
and Gary Kildall (ever heard of CP/M?) Jim is starting other stuff, and
Gary is dead; the show is now firmly in the hands of Stuart Cheiffet (sp?)
8:33 a.m.
I watched it religiously. One of the old Commodore gurus was the tech-man
and central figures on the show, Jim Butterfield, who wrote all kinds of
programs for the C64 as well as contributing to many C-64 books. Billy Van
and Luba Goy were front-men and knew little about computers. I ran across
Billy Van in cabbagetown(a district of Toronto) a couple of years ago and
suggested they should redo the show as a musical. He didn't have the vision.
Jim Butterfield was a neighbor of mine until I moved out west and much
involved in Toronto Freenet. He also gave me a great Amiga 3000 that his
daughter had grown tired of playing games on. One of the Commodore
legends and contributors. Wish someone would do a re-run !
Lawrence
Just curious: anybody here ever see a TV show back
in the 80's called Bits and Bytes, exploring the
PETs, Apples, TI99's etc. of the day and starring
Billy Van (Laugh-In) and Luba Goy (Cdn Air Farce)?
mike
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