On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote: I'll donate the wooden case. Do you think if we put a 'vintage' keyboard in it (i.e. one without the 'windows' keys around the spacebar) it will fool them?? (there's probably a 'trick' involving a PIC controller or something to convert a PS/2-type keyboard into a parallel strobing keyboard which would make it work with an Apple 1. However, both the PIC and the keyboard controller on the keyboard itself would be more powerful than the 6502 in the Apple 1)

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote: The Replica One looks like a cool project. But I'm a little disturbed that he calls it a 'replica' considering: (quotes from web page) A new circuit layout was done on the replica 1 to implement a more simple circuit and replace older no longer available ICs. Simply add your own PC 386-Pentium class power supply, a composite TV or monitor and a PS/2 keyboard or Apple II style ASCII keyboard and you are set to go. (end of quotes) The Apple 1 didn't use an 'external power supply.' You hooked up your own power transformer to it, it had the onboard power supply etched in the board. It didn't work with a PS/2 keyboard (obviously), you attached any available parallel strobing ASCII keyboard. There WAS no 'apple' keyboard- Apple Computer's sole 'proprietary' component in the Apple 1 was the circuit board stuffed with COTS chips. And it doesn't use the original chips? My hope was that it was a true 'replica' and you could order it for Big Bucks with vintage silicon, or order a bare etched and drilled circuit board and have the fun of seeking out (or digging through your junkbox of spare chips) for the chips. My memory from the above details about about Apple 1 power supplies, keyboard, etc. comes from what I remember of the review article of the Apple 1 that was in issue 2 of Kilobaud. (the same issue with the full-page display ad for the Apple 1 with $666 price and all). I never owned one. (was lucky to be able to afford a programmable calculator in that era) Damn, I wish I hadn't sold off that complete set of Kilobaud a number of years back....

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote: Naw. It probably uses a 74LS244 chip in it somewhere, and I'd burn myself out adapting it to use a 74LS245 instead (because I've got a bunch of the latter and none of the former in the tubes of ICs that I can find at the moment in the mess here) Seems like a cool project, though. How soon before people start hawking them on eBay as if they're real Apple 1's?? (three years? ten years??)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf at siconic.comTo: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.orgSent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Possible entertainment for VCF 8.0 Festival ---- Didn't the original manufacturer keep the masks needed to make new boards? Not like somebody would throw away anything useful from a company that grew so fast like Apple did.

Hi, I collect some of the old machines too ever since my late brother bought our first kit in the 70's, Altair 680, which I still kept. But I haven't made it to any ot the VCF shows yet. I'm planning to make the VCF MidWest show some time. I think it's real challenge to get more of the general public to attend. but I think if you get a higher attendance The entertainment and Door Prize is really a good idea. The one guy who said don't make it loud, I think is important, nothing like talking over the music. The one idea that mentioned about vintage computer games is also a good thing to do, especially the original ASCII games. One thing that would be nice to see at the VCF, but probably difficult to find, are some of the memoriablia reproduced from back then(70's). I don't now if you already had planned to have vendors at VCF, with items such as T-shirts, posters with ASCII art, or from George Beker. \Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [My Corner of Cyberspace http://ragooman.home.comcast.net/] [Pittsburgh Robotics Society http://www.pghrobotics.org/] [Pittsburgh Vintage Comp.Society http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vintage Computer Festival wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Scott Stevens wrote: Right, but there are a lot of traces going underneath the chip sockets, and the sockets are the solid type where you can't see what's underneath. Between a photo and the schematic it is theoretically possible, but I figure someone would've already done it if it was easy. Right, it was just a hobby that suddenly turned into a booming business. Nobody had an inkling they were making any kind of history. They were just having fun and then suddenly making a ton of money doing it when everything went corporate. It all happened too fast. Those serious about looking into Apple's nascent corporate history can request access to their earliest corporate documents now located in Stanford University's library: http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/1997/november19/apple1119.html -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]