18 Apr
2012
18 Apr
'12
7:56 p.m.
Dear cctech folks;
I have 2: ISA card controllers for PCMCIA cards
that I want to get running again.
I need the software &
just the essentials of the manual (switch & jumper settings).
1)
DATABOOK ThinCard DRIVE
model TMD-100-03 rev C
2) 16 bit ISA card:
MMCD-D2 Rev 2.0 ?? 1994 SCM Microsystem GMBH
Photos are here:
http://ferretronix.com/march/thincard/
thanks in advance
Jeff Jonas
jeffj at panix.com
21 Apr
21 Apr
12:26 a.m.
It's possible that Linux will just support these out of the box. I
remember at least a driver many years ago for the Texas Instruments
ISA<->PCMCIA bridge chip. Give it a try and watch the kernel device
probe messages.
-Dave
On 04/18/2012 07:56 PM, Jeff Jonas wrote:
Dear cctech folks;
I have 2: ISA card controllers for PCMCIA cards
that I want to get running again.
I need the software &
just the essentials of the manual (switch & jumper settings).
1)
DATABOOK ThinCard DRIVE
model TMD-100-03 rev C
2) 16 bit ISA card:
MMCD-D2 Rev 2.0 ? 1994 SCM Microsystem GMBH
Photos are here:
http://ferretronix.com/march/thincard/
thanks in advance
Jeff Jonas
jeffj at panix.com
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
12:40 a.m.
It's possible that Linux will just support these
out of the box.
Other OSes too; I have an ISA-to-PCMCIA (or possibly PCCard; I'm
unclear on the details of the differences) card which Just Worked when
I tried to use it under NetBSD - the device was found and recognized
and both slots worked fine right from the start. (I don't see any
statement of what OS jeffj wants to use this hardware under.)
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1:07 a.m.
On 04/21/2012 12:40 AM, Mouse wrote:
Oh yes, come to think of it, I recall having seen those supported by
NetBSD as well.
One fun thing along those lines was the Sun Sbus<->PCMCIA bridge
board. That worked nicely under NetBSD if I recall.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
It's
possible that Linux will just support these out of the box.
Other OSes too; I have an ISA-to-PCMCIA (or possibly PCCard; I'm
unclear on the details of the differences) card which Just Worked when
I tried to use it under NetBSD - the device was found and recognized
and both slots worked fine right from the start. (I don't see any
statement of what OS jeffj wants to use this hardware under.) 
12:34 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Mouse wrote:
Other OSes too; I have an ISA-to-PCMCIA (or possibly
PCCard; I'm
unclear on the details of the differences) card
PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association) became
People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.
So, they changed their usable unique name to PC-Card, so that there could
be almost infinite confusion with every other product in the world.
Such as "Printed Circuit Card" (what is the difference between a
"board"
and a "card"?)
"personal Computer Card" (such as MDA, MDP, CGA, EGA, VGA, PGA, FDC,
HDC, etc.)
Thus shifting the problem from a unique but awkward and lacking in
intrinsic meaning acronym to a meaningless and information free term that
was ALSO already in wide uses for many other items, rendering the term
unsuitable for any kind of use at all.
But, it's nothing new. what is a "COM" file? CPM? "SIM"?
Kids will feel free to misappropriate names for items using valid and/or
significant names from anything that preceeded their coming into the
field, simply because those names have little or no significance to THEM,
and they have no respect for anybody who was already in the field before
they arrived. ("Steve Jobs invented personal computers (back before the
dawn of time - Wozniak worked for him to implement Jobs' ideas), SCSI,
3(SIC) inch disks, Lazer(SIC) printers, computer graphics, GUI, mice,
music players, telephones, and tablets! We wouldn't have ANY of those
things without him!")
You MUST get them off of your lawn! Cane them!
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Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
1:03 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On 21 Apr 2012 at 9:34, Fred Cisin wrote:
Thus shifting the problem from a unique but awkward
and lacking in
intrinsic meaning acronym to a meaningless and information free term
that was ALSO already in wide uses for many other items, rendering the
term unsuitable for any kind of use at all.
I note that I can purchase for less than a sawbuck, a USB "flash
card" reader/writer.
So it not only creates bits of cardboard with printing such as "2 +
3 =", but it also reads such bits of cardboard...
I knew it was only a matter of time...
--Chuck
1:37 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
> [...] an ISA-to-PCMCIA (or possibly PCCard;
I'm unclear on the
> details of the differences) card [...]
PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card Industry
Association) became
People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.
Yes, I've seen that. Of course, even PCMCIA proper long since ceased
to be about memory and became I/O in general....
So, they changed their usable unique name to PC-Card,
so that there
could be almost infinite confusion with every other product in the
world.
Well, I know some cards are mechanically different, so that a card of
type X can't be plugged into a socket of type Y (though the converse
works fine). I'm not sure which is X and which is Y - I thought one
was PCMCIA and one was PCCard, but I'm not sure of even that much - and
I'm not sure what the differences are besides mechanical, though I've
heard enough to make me think there are such differences.
You MUST get them off of your lawn! Cane them!
Indeed.
And don't get me started about "DB9" connectors!
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2:23 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
>> [...] an ISA-to-PCMCIA (or possibly PCCard;
I'm unclear on the
>> details of the differences) card [...]
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Mouse wrote:
Well, I know some cards are mechanically different, so
that a card of
type X can't be plugged into a socket of type Y (though the converse
works fine). I'm not sure which is X and which is Y - I thought one
was PCMCIA and one was PCCard, but I'm not sure of even that much - and
I'm not sure what the differences are besides mechanical, though I've
heard enough to make me think there are such differences.
It started off with Poqet using them, before they were completely
standardized and NAMED. Is Poqet "PCMCIA"? Almost. Maybe. Sometimes.
Then, the major difference for a long time was just the THICKNESS! A
"type 2" card is too thick to fit in a "type 1" slot.
I'm sure that as they started using it as a BUS, for network cards,
modems, etc., that additional incompatabilites were developed.
And don't get me started about "DB9"
connectors!
Although there can be alternate pinnings, to me THAT means a DB25, with
pins 1 through 8 and 20.
"DB15" is worse! Is that a DA15 or a DE15? I once needed a DE15 to
DA15 adapter to "repair" a video projector whose cable had been abused.
(I did not want to risk having a college administrator catch me soldering,
and wanted "non-adapting" cables so that unqualified staff could do the
next repair) The EBay vendor insisted on calling it DB15 to DB15!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:04 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On 21 Apr 2012 at 11:23, Fred Cisin wrote:
The D-sub letter-shell-size thing is incomplete. What do you call a
19 pin D-sub? They're typically referred to as a "DB-19", but the
shell is smaller than a DB and larger than a DA. These were used,
for example, on Atari ST ACSI connections.
--Chuck
And don't
get me started about "DB9" connectors!
Although there can be alternate pinnings, to me THAT means a DB25,
with pins 1 through 8 and 20. 
3:26 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
Chuck Guzis wrote:
The D-sub letter-shell-size thing is incomplete. What
do you call a
19 pin D-sub? They're typically referred to as a "DB-19", but the
shell is smaller than a DB and larger than a DA. These were used,
for example, on Atari ST ACSI connections.
And for external floppy connectors. Apple used the 19 position, and the
Amiga used the even less common 23-position. I've seen references to 17
and 21 position, but don't know of any common applications. I don't
think there was a letter designation for those shell sizes.
3:39 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
And don't get me started about "DB9"
connectors!
Although there can be alternate pinnings, to me THAT means a DB25,
with pins 1 through 8 and 20. 
4:26 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On 21 Apr 2012 at 11:23, Fred Cisin wrote:
The D-sub letter-shell-size thing is incomplete. What do you call a
19 pin D-sub? They're typically referred to as a "DB-19", but the
I've seen thenm called 'DF19' and 'DG23' (used on the Amiga, IIRC).
After
all the shell letters are not assigned in order (DE is smllaer than DA).
-tony
And
don't get me started about "DB9" connectors!
Although there can be alternate pinnings, to me THAT means a DB25,
with pins 1 through 8 and 20.
4:20 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
"DB15" is worse! Is that a DA15 or a DE15?
I once needed a DE15 to
I think that's the only one where there is confusion..
I've beenm using a lo to DA15s eecently (for a non-computer application).
The local electrornics shop didn't hve a clue what I meant by 'DA15' It
turns out they call them 'DB15 Two Row' (as opposed to 'DB15 Three Row'
which are DE15s, of course). ARGH!
[It was difficut for me to type DB15....]
DA15 adapter to "repair" a video projector
whose cable had been abused.
(I did not want to risk having a college administrator catch me soldering,
Why ever not?
and wanted "non-adapting" cables so that
unqualified staff could do the
next repair) The EBay vendor insisted on calling it DB15 to DB15!
I give up!
-tony
7:31 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
> DA15 adapter to "repair" a video
projector whose cable had been abused.
> (I did not want to risk having a college administrator catch me soldering,
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Tony Duell wrote:
Why ever not?
One of my colleagues was "caught" soldering a repair in a college computer
lab (that was closed at the time)! That was one of four offenses for
which they tried to fire him. The others included telling an "instructor"
that he was NOT available to come help her and to learn how to do her own
"reset" when the computer was "locked", refusing to change the grade
to passing for a student whose program crashed instead of a clean exit to
the OS, and removing discarded computers from the dumpster.
While he was banned from campus, they removed and destroyed everything in
his office, which included a SOL, some Northstars, 6? bookcases of PC
Tech Journal, Dr Dobbs, IBM Technical References for all models, etc.
(Yes, he DID have the 8514 and EGA trch refs)
His office was densely packed, with mostly classic microcomputers.
The mediator told them that they did NOT have adequate grounds to fire
him, and he has been reinstated.
No, I do not want to be caught soldering on campus.
7:49 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
Why is it such an offense to solder in college? Is everything a FRU there?
I would think they'd be such tightwads that they'd patch it 3 times before
pitching it...
On Saturday, April 21, 2012, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
> > DA15 adapter to "repair" a video
projector whose cable had been abused.
> > (I did not want to risk having a college administrator catch me
soldering,
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Tony Duell wrote:
Why ever not?
One of my colleagues was "caught" soldering a repair in a college computer
lab (that was closed at the time)! That was one of four offenses for
which they tried to fire him. The others included telling an "instructor"
that he was NOT available to come help her and to learn how to do her own
"reset" when the computer was "locked", refusing to change the grade
to passing for a student whose program crashed instead of a clean exit to
the OS, and removing discarded computers from the dumpster.
While he was banned from campus, they removed and destroyed everything in
his office, which included a SOL, some Northstars, 6? bookcases of PC
Tech Journal, Dr Dobbs, IBM Technical References for all models, etc.
(Yes, he DID have the 8514 and EGA trch refs)
His office was densely packed, with mostly classic microcomputers.
The mediator told them that they did NOT have adequate grounds to fire
him, and he has been reinstated.
No, I do not want to be caught soldering on campus.
22 Apr
22 Apr
2:45 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
> DA15 adapter to "repair" a video
projector whose cable had been abused.
> (I did not want to risk having a college administrator catch me soldering,
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Tony Duell wrote:
Why ever not?
One of my colleagues was "caught" soldering a repair in a college computer
lab (that was closed at the time)! That was one of
four offenses for
which they tried to fire him. The others included telling an "instructor"
that he was NOT available to come help her and to learn how to do her own
"reset" when the computer was "locked", refusing to change the grade
to passing for a student whose program crashed instead of a clean exit to
the OS, and removing discarded computers from the dumpster.
While he was banned from campus, they removed and destroyed everything in
his office, which included a SOL, some Northstars, 6? bookcases of PC
Tech Journal, Dr Dobbs, IBM Technical References for all models, etc.
(Yes, he DID have the 8514 and EGA trch refs)
His office was densely packed, with mostly classic microcomputers.
And you still work there? I think if an organisation behaved like that to
anyone I knewe, I'd walk out. I'd also find a new use for a soldering
gun, involving the adminsitrators rectum.
-tony
21 Apr
21 Apr
3:10 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On 04/21/2012 11:34 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Kids will feel free to misappropriate names for items
using valid and/or
significant names from anything that preceeded their coming into the
field, simply because those names have little or no significance to THEM,
and they have no respect for anybody who was already in the field before
they arrived. ("Steve Jobs invented personal computers (back before the
dawn of time - Wozniak worked for him to implement Jobs' ideas)
My youngest daughter brought home some homework the other day which talked
about Jobs and Wozniak inventing the PC (although Wozniak was spelled with
an s rather than a z), so this kind of stuff is being taught to them in
schools...
I think it's difficult to put right though, unless you have a kid who's
really into the subject; they don't care enough about the information that
it matters to them whether it's correct or not.
cheers
Jules
4:30 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
On 04/21/2012 11:34 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Kids will feel free to misappropriate names for
items using valid and/or
significant names from anything that preceeded their coming into the
field, simply because those names have little or no significance to THEM,
and they have no respect for anybody who was already in the field before
they arrived. ("Steve Jobs invented personal computers (back before the
dawn of time - Wozniak worked for him to implement Jobs' ideas)
My youngest daughter brought home some homework the other day which talked
about Jobs and Wozniak inventing the PC (although Wozniak was spelled with
an s rather than a z), so this kind of stuff is being taught to them in
schools...
I think it's difficult to put right though, unless you have a kid who's
really into the subject; they don't care enough about the information that
it matters to them whether it's correct or not.
cheers
Jules
4:31 p.m.
New subject: PCMCIA by any other name
My youngest daughter brought home some homework the
other day which talked
about Jobs and Wozniak inventing the PC (although Wozniak was spelled with
an s rather than a z), so this kind of stuff is being taught to them in
schools...
Feel free to bring her teacher to me so I can knock some snese into
him/her with an HP9830....
One day I really must record all the incorrect stuff I was 'taught' at
school. From 'A dried orange is callled an apricot' up to 'The Wheatstone
bidge compares resistors, it does not mrasure them' [1]. ARGH!
[1] I am stil llooking for a definition of 'measuremnet' that does not
involve comparison to a standard....
I think it's difficult to put right though, unless you have a kid who's
really into the subject; they don't care enough about the information that
it matters to them whether it's correct or not.
Amd that is very worrying....
-tony
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