3 Oct
2016
3 Oct
'16
5:53 p.m.
I've got a half dozen different source trees for mc680x0 Unixen, but
nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I
don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or
done internally.
Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild?
KJ
3 Oct
3 Oct
7:21 p.m.
the will probably be 68000
unisoft kernels i've used weren't 010 with the 451
i'll have to dig around for what bits of the 451 kernel i still
have around. unisoft kept the mmu parts pretty well isolated since
the did so many hw ports
On 10/3/16 5:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote:
I've got a half dozen different source trees for
mc680x0 Unixen, but
nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I
don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or
done internally.
Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild?
KJ
8:09 p.m.
Did Unisoft distribution tapes normally include sources?
m
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From: "Al Kossow" <aek at bitsavers.org>
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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
the will probably be 68000
unisoft kernels i've used weren't 010 with the 451
i'll have to dig around for what bits of the 451 kernel i still
have around. unisoft kept the mmu parts pretty well isolated since
the did so many hw ports
On 10/3/16 5:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote:
I've got a half dozen different source trees
for mc680x0 Unixen, but
nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I
don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or
done internally.
Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild?
KJ
8:19 p.m.
A quick google search found:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.m68k/-8iweTkxPNI/L2-hPrW_ryAJ
mentions:
I have an ancient Unix system made by ProComp in Switzerland that has a
68000 CPU, 4 MB RAM and that 68451 MMU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a hard disk
or system media for this oldtimer :( It ran a port of 7th edition Unix as well
as some System III variant. Would surely be nice to see Linux running on
that machine ;) but I should better go and work on the MVME147 port ...
https://books.google.com/books?id=cgHPkXYCnqwC&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&…
has an announcement of the Fortune Systems "Multiplier"
with the 68010 and 68451
https://books.google.com/books?id=MdBP83DW6g4C&pg=RA1-PA78&lpg=RA1-…
mentions the DY-4 Systems Inc DSM-6816 with 68000 and 68451
at
http://comp.sys.3b1.narkive.com/olPp7IM0/fs-cosmos-cms-16-unx-vintage-unix-…
Al Kossow writes that the COSMOS CMS-16/UNX has
"a daughter card with 68000 and Motorola 68451 MMU is visible."
8:34 p.m.
On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Phil Budne <phil at
ultimate.com> wrote:
I have an ancient Unix system made by ProComp in Switzerland that has a
68000 CPU, 4 MB RAM and that 68451 MMU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a hard disk
or system media for this oldtimer :( It ran a port of 7th edition Unix as well
as some System III variant. Would surely be nice to see Linux running on
that machine ;)
Please don't defile it like that.
4 Oct
4 Oct
4:12 a.m.
Motorola System V/68 Release 2 versions have been distributed as obj and
source. They will run on MVME115 and MVME121. Both are using 68010 and
68451 MMU
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon at orthanc.ca> wrote:
On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Phil Budne <phil
at ultimate.com> wrote:
I have an ancient Unix system made by ProComp in Switzerland that has a
68000 CPU, 4 MB RAM and that 68451 MMU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a
hard
disk
or system media for this oldtimer :( It ran a
port of 7th edition Unix
as well
as some System III variant. Would surely be nice
to see Linux running on
that machine ;)
Please don't defile it like that. 
1:44 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
the will probably be 68000
unisoft kernels i've used weren't 010 with the 451
i'll have to dig around for what bits of the 451 kernel i still
have around. unisoft kept the mmu parts pretty well isolated since
the did so many hw ports
I'd be interested in looking over something along these lines. I have
some 80s hardware that we put a 68000 + 68451 on, but it would easily
take a 68010. It was going to be a massive wad of async ports and
some sort of WAN port (X.25 was one technique). It never made it out
the door as a product, but I have the prototypes in the attic. Dual
Z8530 serial cards (4 ports) with a Motorola DMA engine or 8-port PIO
serial cards on top of a pedestrian 68000+68451 design w/2MB of 41256
DRAM and an early Sony 3.5" floppy drive - designed 1983 to 1984 ISTR.
We used a Perkin-Elmer 7300 Uniplus box w/System III as our software
design workstation because it was an inexpensive way to get 4
developers cranking out C code to 68000 object code to link into our
own format for the hardware target. I still have the P-E 7300...
tried to sell it at Hamfests 20 years ago and nobody was remotely
interested.
We never finished the app for this thing, but I always wanted to see
about tossing UNIX on it - plenty of serial ports, and at least a few
hundred KB of removable storage... just have to figure out what to put
on it in the way of a mass storage device - perhaps hacking one of the
DMA serial cards to add a 5380 SCSI chip in place of a serial chip.
So... short form - I'd love to read over some 68K UNIX code to see
what it would take to make it run on orphan hardware from 30 years
ago.
-ethan
5 Oct
5 Oct
10:46 a.m.
On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
So... short form - I'd love to read over some 68K UNIX code to see
what it would take to make it run on orphan hardware from 30 years
ago.
If that?s your goal, I think NetBSD will run on 68000 & 68010 hardware with an MMU
(Sun or 68451).
-- Chris
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