18 Apr
2002
18 Apr
'02
7:38 a.m.
Zuse gets my vote. Words like Gigazuse (GZ) sound
really cool.
Zuse works for me too...
--tom
18 Apr
18 Apr
8:19 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
Zuse works for me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
2:12 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Zuse works for me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
While the Zuse Z1 of course!
http://irb.cs.tu-berlin.de/~zuse/Konrad_Zuse/de/Rechner_Z1.html
(in German)
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8:38 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
Date sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:19:28 -0600
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: The Unit
Send reply to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Zuse works for me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
m^2 * kg * w
------------
bit * IPS
So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
55 Z, while a modern PC (Lets take the dual
PIII 700 MHz with 384 MB I'm using right now)
gets around 4,8*10^-14 Z or 48 fZ (Femtozuse)
I think this gives a good evaluation of the
geek value.
Gruss
H.
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http://www.vcfe.org/
2:16 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
m^2 * kg * w
------------
bit * IPS
So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
55 Z, while a modern PC (Lets take the dual
PIII 700 MHz with 384 MB I'm using right now)
gets around 4,8*10^-14 Z or 48 fZ (Femtozuse)
I think this gives a good evaluation of the
geek value.
I like it, but why don't we add a coefficient to make the Zuse 1 come out
with a Zuse rating of 1?
Multiplying it by .0181818... (1/55) would do the trick (lamely :)
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12:08 p.m.
New subject: The Unit
Zuse would be great!
And, if we reduce the formula to SI units, we get:
(IPS are Instructions Per Second, right?)
m^4 * kg^2
1 Zuse = 1 ------------
s^2
which is sufficiently strange....
ms
On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 13:16, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
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Germany http://www.vaxcluster.de
Sieben auf einen Streich
Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
m^2 * kg * w
------------
bit * IPS
So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
55 Z, while a modern PC (Lets take the dual
PIII 700 MHz with 384 MB I'm using right now)
gets around 4,8*10^-14 Z or 48 fZ (Femtozuse)
I think this gives a good evaluation of the
geek value.
I like it, but why don't we add a coefficient to make the Zuse 1 come out
with a Zuse rating of 1?
Multiplying it by .0181818... (1/55) would do the trick (lamely :)
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19 Apr
19 Apr
3:23 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
And, if we reduce the formula to SI units, we get:
(IPS are Instructions Per Second, right?)
m^4 * kg^2
1 Zuse = 1 ------------
s^2
Errr... yes, if you go for the SI unitdescription for Z.
ALthough for calculation purpose the named formula is correct.
which is sufficiently strange....
Jep
Gruss
H.
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http://www.vcfe.org/
18 Apr
18 Apr
9:22 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
shouldn't that be m^3 ? (cubic meters, not square meters)
Zuse works for
me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
m^2 * kg * w
------------
bit * IPS So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
55 Z,
Intrinsically, the Zuse 1 MUST BE the standard!
(Zuse 1 == 1 Zuse)
Therefore, either we need additional constant coefficients, or we are
leaving out one more parameter in the calculation. (rarity? inability to
run MICROS~1 software? weight? unknown to the general population?
. . .
9:49 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
> > Zuse works for me too...
> > But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
> Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
> m^2 * kg * w
> ------------
> bit * IPS
shouldn't that be m^3 ? (cubic meters, not square
meters)
See my other mail, square meeters give a better representation
for odd shaped computers - and bigger numbers ... and disregard
the average tower PC :)
> So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
> binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
> 55 Z,
Intrinsically, the Zuse 1 MUST BE the standard!
(Zuse 1 == 1 Zuse)
Naaaa - this would be again a by definition standard. The basic
idea of the SI system is to take everything aut of natur, so we
may end up with somewhat odd numbers for derivated units, but
straight calculations for conversion, and no arbitrarily factors.
Therefore, either we need additional constant
coefficients, or we are
leaving out one more parameter in the calculation. (rarity? inability to
run MICROS~1 software? weight? unknown to the general population?
Naa - to specific - it has to be stuff presemnt for each computer.
Gruss
H.
--
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http://www.vcfe.org/
8:51 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
The Zuse 1 IS out of nature.
Don't you have a VCF to be planning? :)
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Intrinsically,
the Zuse 1 MUST BE the standard!
(Zuse 1 == 1 Zuse)
Naaaa - this would be again a by definition standard. The basic
idea of the SI system is to take everything aut of natur, so we
may end up with somewhat odd numbers for derivated units, but
straight calculations for conversion, and no arbitrarily factors. Therefore,
either we need additional constant coefficients, or we are
leaving out one more parameter in the calculation. (rarity? inability to
run MICROS~1 software? weight? unknown to the general population?
Naa - to specific - it has to be stuff presemnt for each computer.
10:38 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Hans Franke wrote:
See my other mail, square meeters give a better
representation
for odd shaped computers - and bigger numbers ... and disregard
the average tower PC :)
But it would also rate a 19" rack very close to a generic desktop
machine. Perhaps we need BOTH fooutprint AND volume.
1:46 p.m.
New subject: The Unit
Hans Franke wrote:
Date sent: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:19:28 -0600
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: The Unit
Send reply to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Would it better to have it inverted, so the heavy stuff is at the
bottom. :)
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Zuse works for me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
Well, Zuse is aa Unit for
m^2 * kg * w
------------
bit * IPS
So a for example the Zuse 1 (100% mechanical,
binary floating point) ends up somewhere near
55 Z, while a modern PC (Lets take the dual
PIII 700 MHz with 384 MB I'm using right now)
gets around 4,8*10^-14 Z or 48 fZ (Femtozuse)
I think this gives a good evaluation of the
geek value. 
9:23 a.m.
New subject: The Unit
Careful:
Ben Franchuk wrote:
Zuse works for me too...
But what Zuse Computer will be == 1 Zuse?
Don't set the Z1 == 1 Z, or you'll never probably get to TeraZuses! ;-)
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Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
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