16 Jan
2018
16 Jan
'18
4:51 p.m.
On 09/21/2017 08:52 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
? Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for
a number on the key
for their 2108A, this weekend.
Ask if he can snap a few good close-up pictures of it.? While
measurement from a picture isn't reliable, it doesn't have to be, if the
picture is clear enough to decide whether a given cut is a 2 cut or a 3
cut.
16 Jan
16 Jan
5:08 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote:
On 09/21/2017 08:52 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Yes, it did. Dennis Boone has the techninal details.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Mike Loewen via cctalk
wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 ? Mike Thompson at the RICM is going to look for
a number on the key
for their 2108A, this weekend.
Ask if he can snap a few good close-up pictures of it.? While
measurement from a picture isn't reliable, it doesn't have to be, if the
picture is clear enough to decide whether a given cut is a 2 cut or a 3
cut.
From cctalk at classiccmp.org Mon Sep 25 18:21:35 2017
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:21:27 -0400
From: Dennis Boone via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Reply-To: Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: HP 2108A key
I received a key that was made based on the Chicago
Lock H2007 key in
Christian's picture:
It works!
I've asked our resident keymaster to post any
specifications needed
to duplicate this key.
The key is an H2007. This is one of the Chicago double-sided types.
The keyblank is an Ilco 1041G, aka CG1, which looks like this:
http://mysecuritypro.com/images/products/highres/cg1large.jpg
Note that there are other similar blanks in which the center land is
offset one way or the other, but on this one it's centered.
One easy way to get one is on ebay: H2007 is one of the relatively
common numbers, once used in alarms or elevators or some such. Most
real locksmiths (i.e. not the key booth at Ace or Home Despot) will have
the means to originate such a key, and can work from "Chicago
double-sided H2007 CG1". Many of said serious locksmiths will want you
to prove you own the lock. I think I remember hearing that Jay carried
one of his HP minis into such a place once... ;)
TL;DR:
The tricky bit to cutting them is that when Chicago designed them, they
developed several hundred unique curves instead of a set of numbered cut
depths. However, manufacturers of numerical key machines have worked it
out, probably by pretending there are a large number of cut positions.
There are two ways these days to originate one: copy the appropriate
master key (they come in sets from whoever now owns Chicago, or used
from ebay occasionally) onto the appropriate blank; or
use a numerically
controlled key machine.
I can originate most of these Chicago keys from my set of masters, if
people are stuck. I think I can also produce the 4T1427 panel lock key,
and with a little testing the tubular XX2946, XX2247, XX2065 (since we
have cut depths for these). I've been trying to get to the point where
I can produce most ccmp related keys, and am interested in expanding
that capability, if people have needs or additional data.
De
5:19 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as
pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
Nice pictures of a 2108A !
But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
5:31 p.m.
I never ?found on ein the key stash.... I ordered ?2 ?off ?ebay....
one to use...
one to loose!
?
?
Ed#
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In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as
pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
Nice pictures of a 2108A !
But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
5:43 p.m.
You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right
diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work.
Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the lock. The ones on the
HPs are not that hard to remove.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ed Sharpe via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:31:26 PM
To: cisin at xenosoft.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org; cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Re: HP 2108A key
I never found on ein the key stash.... I ordered 2 off ebay....
one to use...
one to loose!
Ed#
In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as
pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
Nice pictures of a 2108A !
But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
5:50 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, dwight via cctalk wrote:
You know that one can always remove the pins from the
lock and then any
key of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will
work.
Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the
lock. The ones on the HPs are not that hard to remove.
Or get a key cut based on the code number (if avaialable)
Or swap the pins to make the lock fit any other key that you have with the
same keyway.
(If so, and if the lock has the code number engraved/stamped on it,
consider taking a dremel to cross out the number that is no longer
correct. Or leave it, so that somebody getting a key code cut to
steal your machine wastes some time)
6:01 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, dwight via cctalk wrote:
You know that one can always remove the pins from the
lock and then any key
of the right diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work.
MOST of such locks (called "cam lock") have a standardized mounting,
although the "cam"/latch bar may differ.
You can replace the lock with one of your choice.
There are even COMBINATION cam locks, giving you the opportunity to forget
the combination that you set, instead of losing the key.
With a larger mounting hole, you can get cam locks with Interchangeable
Core, or with house-hey keyways to rekey to match your residence key.
17 Jan
17 Jan
5:08 a.m.
Easier ?just to order one ?for ? 6 bucks off ebay. though!
?
In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:43:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dkelvey at hotmail.com
writes:
?
You know that one can always remove the pins from the lock and then any key of the right
diameter will work. It won't be original but it will work.
Most any real lock smith can make a key for you if you give him the lock. The ones on the
HPs are not that hard to remove.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ed Sharpe via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:31:26 PM
To:cisin at xenosoft.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org; cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Re: HP 2108A key?
I never ?found on ein the key stash.... I ordered ?2 ?off ?ebay....
one to use...
one to loose!
?
?
Ed#
?
?
In a message dated 1/16/2018 3:19:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
?On Tue, 16 Jan 2018, Tim Riker via cctalk wrote:
Did this get resolved? I have an HP-2108A with key as
pictured here:
https://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446
Nice pictures of a 2108A !
But no pictures of the key, (which has been worked out)
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