14 Dec
2001
14 Dec
'01
12:01 p.m.
Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity.
:-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point.
I didn't doubt for a moment that the AMD chip was fully compatible with
any other Intel compat OS or software... just that it was REALLY REALLY
sad that they had to stamp it with windows propaganda as if windows was
the only thing out there that mattered.
-c
14 Dec
14 Dec
8:45 a.m.
Chris wrote:
Lets not forget about win-modems and win-printers that are compatable
with nothing!
--
Ben Franchuk --- Pre-historic Cpu's --
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to
mediocrity. :-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point.
I didn't doubt for a moment that the AMD chip was fully compatible with
any other Intel compat OS or software... just that it was REALLY REALLY
sad that they had to stamp it with windows propaganda as if windows was
the only thing out there that mattered.
-c 
2:33 p.m.
Well, I
suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity. :-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point. 
3:05 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
An RS/6000 ???
Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity.
:-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point. (As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
Ooohhh! <drool> There's one for sale here, but it's too severely
stripped for me. I dunno enough about them to go there.
Besides, I have enough AIX boxes....
Doc
3:09 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
(As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
There's the PPC-based low-end RS/6000's. They're still faster than the
Apples.
Peace... Sridhar
Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity.
:-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point. 
3:16 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
(As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000, AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
-- Pat
Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity.
:-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point.
4:51 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
(As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000, AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
Peace... Sridhar
Well, I
suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity. :-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point.
5:56 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
I just joined this list, but I was expecting this response.... ;^)
Doc
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
... a computer
I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000, AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
Peace... Sridhar
8:06 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
I just joined this list, but I was expecting this response.... ;^)
I felt it appropriate to respond, since I own three S/390's myself.
Peace... Sridhar
... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000,
AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
9:15 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
I felt it appropriate to respond, since I own three
S/390's myself.
Yes, I had gathered that, so I knew you would rise up righteous in
defense of them.
Um, wait. Three. As in (3), two more than (1)?
we're not worthy.
Peace to you, as well.
Doc
9:48 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck
wrote:
Yes. I own three complete S/390's. I also own an ES/9000, a Burroughs
G20M/200, and I will soon own a IBM 7090.
Peace... Sridhar
I felt it appropriate to respond, since I own
three S/390's myself.
Yes, I had gathered that, so I knew you would rise up righteous in
defense of them.
Um, wait. Three. As in (3), two more than (1)? we're not worthy.
Peace to you, as well.
Doc
10:57 a.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, John Allain wrote:
When your primary collection is mainframes.
Peace... Sridhar
I felt it
appropriate to respond, since I own three S/390's myself.
I have little doubt about the appropriateness... of your response.
Care to say when its appropriate to own three S/390's? 
12:55 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, John Allain wrote:
When your primary collection is mainframes.
Man...I'd love to have the kind of space needed to have more
than one or two of the beasts!
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
I felt it
appropriate to respond, since I own three S/390's myself.
I have little doubt about the appropriateness... of your response.
Care to say when its appropriate to own three S/390's?
16 Dec
16 Dec
7:25 a.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
When your primary collection is mainframes.
Man...I'd love to have the kind of space needed to have more
than one or two of the beasts!
It isn't the space that's the problem. It's the power.
Peace... Sridhar
I felt it
appropriate to respond, since I own three S/390's myself.
I have little doubt about the appropriateness... of your response.
Care to say when its appropriate to own three S/390's?
8:27 a.m.
Man...I'd
love to have the kind of space needed to have more
than one or two of the beasts!
It isn't the space that's the problem. It's the power.
14 Dec
14 Dec
5:56 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000, AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
Peace... Sridhar
I am pretty sure it runs on some IBM PPC proc... At least that's what I
gathered when IBM sent some guy to give what amounted to a sales pitch to
our LUG. Could be wrong, but I dont really think so. BTW I mean MODERN
eg. zSeries, not old. Anyways, IBM did have their S/390 on a card that
they sold with their P/390 'developer's systems' in the early 90s. I'd
imagine those used a microprocessor...
-- Pat
> Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to
mediocrity. :-P
Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point.
Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
(As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
8:06 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
Nope. My S/390 G5 (the oldest S/390 *barely* is ten years old... there
are no ancient S/390's) which is only a couple of years old has CPU's that
take up two boards each. The z/Series machines are basically the same, as
they only use faster CPU's in the same 64-bit S/390 backplane. So, no,
there are no microprocessor CPU's in the z/S.
Peace... Sridhar
S/390 does NOT
run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
I am pretty sure it runs on some IBM PPC proc... At least that's what I
gathered when IBM sent some guy to give what amounted to a sales pitch to
our LUG. Could be wrong, but I dont really think so. BTW I mean MODERN
eg. zSeries, not old. Anyways, IBM did have their S/390 on a card that
they sold with their P/390 'developer's systems' in the early 90s. I'd
imagine those used a microprocessor...
6 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let
alone one as slow
as PPC.
Furthurmore, I remember the speed they quoted (less than a year ago) of
about 1-2 Gigaflops per "Refrigerator" (as the IBM guy put it). That
would fall in line nicely with a multi-proc PPC system.
-- Pat
8:06 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
Let me put it another way... I own three S/390's, I spend a considerable
amount of time with my hands in them. The 10-Processor G5 S/390 is rated
to a similar speed as a 32-processor POWER4-based RS/6000. In fact, they
no longer even make PowerPC based RS/6000's. Basically the slowest
processor used in RS/6000 now is the POWER3-II.
Peace... Sridhar
S/390 does NOT
run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
Furthurmore, I remember the speed they quoted (less than a year ago) of
about 1-2 Gigaflops per "Refrigerator" (as the IBM guy put it). That
would fall in line nicely with a multi-proc PPC system.
8:55 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
Let me put it another way... I own three S/390's, I spend a considerable
amount of time with my hands in them. The 10-Processor G5 S/390 is rated
to a similar speed as a 32-processor POWER4-based RS/6000. In fact, they
no longer even make PowerPC based RS/6000's. Basically the slowest
processor used in RS/6000 now is the POWER3-II.
OK, Let me rephrase:
The PR guy that IBM sent out to our LUG meeting was a moron.
-- Pat
S/390
does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow
as PPC.
Furthurmore, I remember the speed they quoted (less than a year ago) of
about 1-2 Gigaflops per "Refrigerator" (as the IBM guy put it). That
would fall in line nicely with a multi-proc PPC system.
9:46 p.m.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Pat Finnegan wrote:
OK, Let me rephrase:
The PR guy that IBM sent out to our LUG meeting was a moron.
Almost as consistently as Microsoft shoots its own foot, Major
Corporations(tm) underestimate the skillsets, education,
intelligence, and sheer perversity of Linux User Group audiences. They
send PR flacks and sales reps instead of technicians or developers, and
we send them home without their hides.
Doc
-- Pat
14 Dec
14 Dec
6:52 p.m.
> > > Well, I suppose every chip must aspire
to mediocrity. :-P
> > Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to
see my point.
> Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a
PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-)
> (As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-)
... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000,
AS/400, or S/390 (now
zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron.
I was making a somewhat obscure joke; the Apple Network Server runs AIX and
can't run MacOS either (at least not without serious hardware hacking).
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