28 Oct
2003
28 Oct
'03
4:34 a.m.
From: "Chad Fernandez"
<fernande(a)internet1.net>
evan wrote:
Hi
I thought I might add that our local newspaper also creates
many contrived stories. Although it would seem to the general
reader that they were getting better coverage, most of the
stories are misleading. Almost all of the quotes are taken
In fact, local newspapers are still the
heart of American journalism, and most do a superb at
covering their regions and small towns, in a way that
the AP or CNN never will be able to do.
In my local paper they get stuff wrong all the time. Many times they
don't spell correctly, either. from context and were not even originally spoken in
terms
of the created story. It is called freedom of the press.
I tend to call it fraud.
I don't consider fiction as useful information regardless
of how close to home it is or what cause it promotes.
Dwight
There were other comments that are really wrong.
"Don't look them straight in the eye" is just silly.
That post was a bit confusing, but it wasn't talking about not looking
the reporter in the eye. It was talking about not looking the crazy
collector in the eye. I think it was Sellem that followed that up with
chewing his way through a fence to get to a computer.
I don't think anyone here thinks 100% of the press are idiots. It's
just that the majority were English/Journalism majors, so they have a
background very far removed from the background of most list members.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
28 Oct
28 Oct
10:27 a.m.
Hi
I thought I might add that our local newspaper also creates
many contrived stories. Although it would seem to the general
reader that they were getting better coverage, most of the
stories are misleading. Almost all of the quotes are taken
from context and were not even originally spoken in terms
of the created story. It is called freedom of the press.
I tend to call it fraud.
I don't consider fiction as useful information regardless
of how close to home it is or what cause it promotes.
Dwight
From what I remember about history the local papers
were made by founding
fathers to print bad stories about each other before elections
(some things
never change). The media has a long history of making up stories and
printing outright lies, its actually better today then 100 years ago. The
whole point of a newspaper is to make money, anything that people are
interested in at the time is put in the paper. My standard aproach to media
stories wether they are in print, on tv, or on the radio is too think of
what the angle is of the publisher and what the source of the story has to
gain with their left or right spin on it. I am sure everybody over the age
of 18 knows that everything that is fed to us is tainted with some bullshit
or spin by the people who print it because of finacial oir political gain
and also from just lazy reporter not checking on the facts.
Was it the NY times that fired a reporter this year for just making stuff up
in many of his articles? If such a large paper doesnt check the facts before
publishing stories what do you expect from the little local papers? Dont get
me started on 24/7 CNN type channels that have to get something new every
few hours just to keep a story going on the air.
3:49 p.m.
This is getting ridiculously off-topic -- which is
supposed to be vintage computing.
However I can't sit here and let all this bullcrap fly
by my screen without defending my profession.
Yes, there's a LOT of bad journalism, and a lot of
propoganda disguising itself as journalism. But there
are a lot of bullshitters and pretenders in ANY field.
And in any field, it's a sad reality that those who
suck make the good ones look bad.
The vast majority of American news reporters are
perfectly competent, conscientious, upstanding
citizens, who've chosen the field because they want to
make a difference in their communities. If one such
reporter stumbles on someone's vintage computer
collection, and decides that it might make an
interesting human interest story, then for Pete's
sake, EMBRACE THAT.
Conversely, being obnoxious, uninformed, and snobby,
are some of the qualities that make the mass public
distrust computer nerds just as much as they
generalize the media or lawyers or politicians or
health insurance companies or energy firms.
Now, I ** know ** most computer nerds are NOT
obnoxious, uninformed, or snobby. I know most truly
care and want to make the world a better place. And I
know this because I'm ONE of them, in my spare time.
But as a reporter in the daytime, I feel the exact
same way toward that responsibility.
So please, fellow vintage computer fans, stop this
obnoxious, uninformed, and snobby (and just plain
stupid) press-bashing. A sad event at The New York
Times or muckraking from centuries ago has 100 percent
zilch to do with the honest, curious, blue-collar
community newspaper reporter who just thought our neat
little tech collections were interesting.
Of course I shouldn't judge ALL computer collectors by
the emails of so very few (see the point?)
4:24 p.m.
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, TeoZ wrote:
Was it the NY times that fired a reporter this year
for just making stuff up
in many of his articles?
No, Judith Miller is still on the NY Times staff, unfortunately.
:)
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29 Oct
29 Oct
12:24 a.m.
Was it the NY times that fired a reporter this year
for just making
stuff up in many of his articles?
Yes.
New York Times: Jayson Blair
Washington Post: Steven Glass
and now the Pulitzer prize people are now on the NYT's case
about an award 70 years ago. For all the NYT publishes, this
is still a pretty light load.
John A.
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