Hi
I have been able to get my PDP 11/05 to print "hello world" by
entering a short program into the toggle switches. I can
simultaneously get the punch to print if I enable it. The text is
actually garbled (TE]HJVYRTD), but I assume I just have to make an
Does the teletype print correctly in local mode? Could it be a problem
with the receive mechanciam in the Model 33?
Can you correctly read charactes from the Model 33 keyboard on the PDP11?
If you can't get hat working, you'll almost certainly havve problems with
the reader too, the serialiser is the same device (the rotating
'distributor' at the rear right corner of the Model 33 tpying unit.
But anyway, let's get the reader working too...
adjustment to the parity/stop bits or related. At
least it's consistent.
But the reason I am writing is to see if I can help with the
reader. When I load and run the bootstrap loader the reader does not
attempt to read a bootstrap tape either automatically or by pressing
start. I think that's because the reader is not getting power.
I can't get it to do anything in local mode or line mode.
Let's being with how the reader control should work. There's a little
electromagnet (the 'trip coil') on top of the typing unit at the rear
right side. When it is energised, it releases the trip lever. This
engages the transmit clutch and the distributor disk rotates. It also
closes the little switch contacts just in front of the trip coil (black
and wihite wires with faston terminals IIRC). This then energises the
larger solenoind in the reader itself, causign the sense pins ('peckers',
at least over here) to rea the tape. The electical outputs from the
switch contacts operated by the sense pins are serialised by the
distributor contact. At theend of the character (one revolution of the
transmit shaft), the trip lever is mechancially restored by a cam on the
shaft. This opens the contacts, de-energising the reader soloid, which
lowers the sense pins and advnces the tape for the next character. If
the trip coil is still nergised, the trip lever is not latched at this
point, and the cycle repeats, reading successive chracters from the tape.
If the trip coil is deenergised, then at the end of the current caracter,
the trip lever is latched in the idle position, disengaging the transmit
clutch (and stopping the distributor) and holding the contacts open so
that the reader soleoid is not energised.
The power fro the reader solenoid comes from a PSU module that is often
mounted in the stnad. Note that this is not isolated from the mains
(power line) But there;'s no need to modify the wiring in that part of
the circuit.
The trip coil is pweered from an isolated (mains transformer) supply in
the call control unit. All reader control is done through this coil. The
orioginal wiring was to simply connect the reader on/off switch and
tape-out contacts (in the reater itself) in series with this coil. When
the reader switch was turned on, the trip coil was energised, and the
reader read the tape as I've just descibed.
There was an 'official' Teletpye versio nwith automatic reder control.
This detected 2 control chreactters using levers in the 'stunt box' under
the platen. These operated swithc contacts (there may well have been a
latching relay involved too) to control the trip coil circuit. This
version is not at all common (at least not over here).
However, most computer manufcaters had their own modification which
involved adding a relay contact to the trip coil circuit. The relay coil
was controlled by the computer interface. The idea was that the computer
could turn on the trip coil, then when the first bit of the chracter was
received, the trip coil was denergised. Of course this meant the reader
would stop after the chracter and wait for the computer to request the
next one. It basically gave a single-stip control of the reader.
Althoug hthis was not an official Teletype modification, it appears that
most computer manufacturrs did it in essentially the same way. The
modifications used by DEC, Intel and HP are all much the same.
The first thing I would do is have the machine running in Local mode with
the covers off and a piece of tape in the reader. Press down the armature
flap on top of the trip coil. If the reader now runs (and the tape
cotnents are printed out on the Model 33), then the reader and the
mechancial side of things ae all working properly, and any problems are
in the trip coil circuit (most likely)
I have painstakingly traced the wires to get a good idea of the
modifications made to the reader control. It appears that two of the
wires coming from the reader are diverted to run through a 24V
transformer (?) with a 0.5 uF 47 on top that is part of the reader
Could this be a relay (possiblty a reed relay or even a mercury-wetted
relay), not a transformer? It would be conventional to put the contacts
in sieres with the trip coil circuit and feed the coil connections out fo
the machine and back to the computer.
I would invetigate thsi some more. What is the DC resistance between the
2 connections that go to the reader circuit (with those wires
disconnected from the rest of the teletpye)? If inifinite, this does
suggest a relay contact. Does anyhting happen if you apply 24V (or so)
between the 2 wires coming out of the machien from thsi device? If the
resistance drops to 'very low' then it really does sound like a relay.
Reconnect it, Apply 24V, and see if the reader runs now.
control mod, and then exit the teletype .
<http://vintagecomputer.net/teletype/asr33/PandB/with_PandB_JR-1000_pic2.jpg>http://vintagecomputer.net/teletype/asr33/PandB/with_PandB_JR-1000_pic2.jpg
On the other end the wires have round screw post connectors as if
they could connect to a ground post or power supply. Pics below.
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Any ideas where these would be plugged in given the photos below? I
don't think the two wires are supposed to be plugged into pins 4 and
6 of the mate-and-lock connector coming from the pdp 11. I am pretty
sure 4 and 6 are for a high-speed reader and have nothing to do with
the TTY circuits.
No. The high pseed reader is totally different thing, with its own
(parallel) interface.
The DEC connecotr has 6 pins used, 2 each for the transmit currnet loop,
receive current loop and reader run relay. The last will drive a small
relay coil directly.
Has this Model 33 ever been used on a PDP11? If so, it's likely to be
vertsion of the normal DEC modification and you can just connct up the
relay coil wires to the 2 remaining pins on the mate-n-lock.
-tony