Rumor has it that Ethan Dicks may have mentioned these words: Gawd, I hope not... :-O I tried that dren *many* a time, and it just doesn't work. You'll spend more time retracing the traces that didn't trace by hand than if you'd have done it with those wacko little RadioShack templates and a burnisher! Oh, did I mention that it's rather expensive for what you don't get? Last time I checked, it was around $15 for 5 sheets - when it takes 3 sheets to almost maybe make something work...[1] If you're time is worth more than $0.50USD per hour, it's cheaper (and much easier) to invest in a decent hobbyist 'photo-developer' kit. www.circuitspecialists.com has good prices on decent 'lower-end' equipment; well, a lot higher-end than that laser-crap. As usual, the lawyer shiznit: I have no affiliation with them other than a one-time satisfied customer due to a google search. Well, that's my take anyway... Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger [1] OK, maybe I'm being harsh -- maybe I was using the wrong equipment. I *heard* (but I'm no laser printer specialist or anything) that any printer that uses 'microfine' toner needs more heat to do it's job. The two printers I tried were an HP laserjet 5L and my QMS MagiColor 2+ [2] -- Maybe the printers damaged it in some way, but when they say "any laser printer" dammit, it should mean any... [2] Out of the 2 sheets I ran thru the QMS, one didn't feed, the other wouldn't transer at all -- maybe from the Fuser Oil that's necessary on those color lasers??? A little warning in the instructions: "Fuser Oil No Touchie" would've been nice... ;-) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | A new truth in advertising slogan sysadmin, Iceberg Computers | for MicroSoft: "We're not the oxy... zmerch(a)30below.com | ...in oxymoron!"