28 Feb
1999
28 Feb
'99
8:29 p.m.
Just a note, some of us (like me) read the list in digest form, one
big blob per day. It arrives around 2am with the previous days'
messages in it. Usually I read it around 11pm. So there is typically
over 30 hours delay between when messages are sent and when I read
them. (Say, sent before 5pm, read the next day around 11pm). I
doubt that I am the only one in this situation, although I might be
the worst case, reading late at night as I do. (And now you know
why I always seem to revive dead threads!)
With this in mind, please don't expect everybody to respond right
away. If you really want to offer something to everybody, you have
to allow at least two days turnaround time.
Of course, if there are other reasons to need quick responses, do it!
I know I am sacrificing something to get the list in digest form, and
I won't blame anyone else for that. And in this case, I have such
mixed feelings about Sydex that I'm not sure I would have responded
anyway. So this is more of a "note for future reference" than
anything else.
Aside from all of that, thanks Bruce, for putting in the effort on
this. Even though I didn't leap at it, I did consider it, and
appreciate it.
Cheers,
Bill.
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> wrote:
] Well! This is going better than I ever expected!
]
] We've got 17 people so far, counting myself, interested in chipping in for
] a copy of Teledisk. This has brought the per-person price down to $9.00
] (assuming $150 for the program plus $3.00 shipping).
]
] We have eight slots left out of 25 originally, and it occurs to me that I
] should probably set a deadline. For the moment, that deadline is 17:00
] Pacific Time Sunday (2-28). In other words, tomorrow by five.
]
] If you're interested in getting in on this, please let me know via private
] E-mail by then.
]
] Thanks to all who've signed up so far.
]
] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
] Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
] http://www.bluefeathertech.com
] Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
] SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
] "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
] human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
28 Feb
28 Feb
8:51 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Introduction to Computer Organization and Data Structures: PDP-11 Edition by
Harold Stone and Daniel Siewiorek. In good
condition. Library binding. Copyright 1975. 370 pages.
Buyer pays shipping and in advance.
So far, the bid is 1.00 on it. Thought someone here might be interested :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=72212703
1 Mar
1 Mar
5:03 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Doug wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Noel Fields wrote:
Hmmm, with all the DEC handbooks being mentioned here, why do you have a
problem with telling people the handbook is available? Somehow, it seems
like harassing people who post ebay auctions (and other items elsewhere)
really doesn't do a bit of good except to provide a bit of irritation.
So far, the bid is 1.00 on it. Thought someone
here might be interested :)
If there was already a bid on it, somebody was obviously interested in it,
but I guess he won't be getting it for $1 anymore :-( 
8:02 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Hmmm, with all the DEC handbooks being mentioned here,
why do you have a
problem with telling people the handbook is available? Somehow, it
seems like harassing people who post ebay auctions (and other items
elsewhere) really doesn't do a bit of good except to provide a bit of
irritation.
I thought we'd been through this before. The only thing advertising an
auction does is encourage a bidding war and drives the price up. This
benefits the seller, and nobody else. Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it?
If somebody mentions something here that was offered via Usenet or some
other sales outlet, then the advantage would have gone to anybody who had
been actively looking for the item and had spotted it earlier.
Given that you're a frequent seller on ebay, I can only guess at your
motivation for bringing this up again. Surely you're aware that ebay
slants the advantage toward the seller (the reserve trap door, the
silly proxy system, national advertising, etc.), that prices of classic
computing stuff on ebay is spiraling out of control, and that buyers could
use a break.
-- Doug
8:05 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
At 02:02 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it?
Are you suggesting that the seller doesn't deserve the chance to
get the highest price they can find?
- John
8:22 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, John Foust wrote:
Are you suggesting that the seller doesn't deserve
the chance to get the
highest price they can find?
I'm suggesting that the seller already has the advantage. Why increase it
by turning this list into an advertising medium?
If you spot something that you think somebody would want, why not tell
that person on an individual basis rather than fueling a bidding frenzy
by tossing meat to a pack of wolves? (No offense to actual wolves
intended. No meat was harmed during the posting of this message.)
-- Doug
8:31 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
At 02:22 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, John Foust wrote:
You mean the seller has the advantage because they own the pile,
or that if they advertise cheaply (like on eBay) they're certain to
find at least one buyer?
I'd hate to see the list become polluted with irrelevant postings,
but so far it hasn't been too bad. Someone could always start another
list with filtered eBay postings relevant to classic computers.
If eBay doesn't have agent searches that send daily results to you
by e-mail, it should.
Are you suggesting that the seller doesn't
deserve the chance to get the
highest price they can find?
I'm suggesting that the seller already has the advantage. Why increase it
by turning this list into an advertising medium? If you spot something that you think somebody would
want, why not tell
that person on an individual basis rather than fueling a bidding frenzy
by tossing meat to a pack of wolves? (No offense to actual wolves
intended. No meat was harmed during the posting of this message.)
I figure that if it's on eBay, wolves and idiots will find it regardless.
There's no sense shooting the first messenger, if just over the hill
there are thousands of messengers and potential buyers. It's like
trying to keep a really cool web site "to yourself." It doesn't
make any sense, and it's futile.
- John
8:44 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, John Foust wrote:
You mean the seller has the advantage because they own
the pile, or that
if they advertise cheaply (like on eBay) they're certain to find at
least one buyer?
I've already listed a few way ebay slants the advantage towards the
seller.
I'd hate to see the list become polluted with
irrelevant postings, but
so far it hasn't been too bad. Someone could always start another list
with filtered eBay postings relevant to classic computers. If eBay
doesn't have agent searches that send daily results to you by e-mail, it
should.
I'd like to think that part of the reason the ebay noise level is pretty
low here is because we've already had this discussion, and the list you
recommend has already been created. Those who haven't yet mastered the
art of efficiently using ebay's search engine can listen to Marvin post
his arbitrary list by sending a "subscribe ccauction" message to
majordomo(a)nut.net.
I figure that if it's on eBay, wolves and idiots
will find it regardless.
There's no sense shooting the first messenger, if just over the hill
there are thousands of messengers and potential buyers. It's like
trying to keep a really cool web site "to yourself." It doesn't
make any sense, and it's futile.
You're saying we're on a slipery slope, so why not slide all the way down?
I'd guess there are a few thousand listings on ebay that might be
interesting to one or more list members on any given day. It wouldn't be
too hard for me to write a little application to give you a sense of the
fire hose you're asking to be turned on :-)
I don't want to hide ebay. They're at www.ebay.com. They have a very
nice search engine and lots of good stuff. Please don't duplicate their
site here.
-- Doug
6:35 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On 1 Mar 99 at 14:44, Doug wrote:
I've already listed a few way ebay slants the
advantage towards the
seller.
I'd like to think that part of the reason the ebay
noise level is pretty
low here is because we've already had this discussion, and the list you
recommend has already been created. Those who haven't yet mastered the
art of efficiently using ebay's search engine can listen to Marvin post
his arbitrary list by sending a "subscribe ccauction" message to
majordomo(a)nut.net.
You're saying we're on a slipery slope, so why not slide all the way down?
I'd guess there are a few thousand listings on ebay that might be
interesting to one or more list members on any given day. It wouldn't be
too hard for me to write a little application to give you a sense of the
fire hose you're asking to be turned on :-)
I don't want to hide ebay. They're at www.ebay.com. They have a very
nice search engine and lots of good stuff. Please don't duplicate their
site here.
-- Doug
OK, I just subscribed. Keep em coming Marvin et all.
Since I don't live in sillycone valley and don't have the time to spend
searching E-Pay, this evens the edge you've got on me. A wee bit.
Snicker, snicker, chortle,chortle.
I guess this means that repair tips and other arcane computer knowledge
is destined to disappear from the net, since it's driving down the fees a
tech can charge. Sounds like Gates theology to me.
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
8:59 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, John Foust wrote:
I'd hate to see the list become polluted with
irrelevant postings,
but so far it hasn't been too bad. Someone could always start another
list with filtered eBay postings relevant to classic computers.
If eBay doesn't have agent searches that send daily results to you
by e-mail, it should.
Shucks, I thought we went through all this about 4 weeks ago and a
separate list WAS created just for this very purpose? I must've been
smoking too much dope again I guess to have hallucinated that.
I figure that if it's on eBay, wolves and idiots
will find it regardless.
There's no sense shooting the first messenger, if just over the hill
there are thousands of messengers and potential buyers. It's like
trying to keep a really cool web site "to yourself." It doesn't
make any sense, and it's futile.
That's not true. Many times there will be some item sitting in a back
corner of ebay that nobody but you finds, and you end up getting it
cheaply. Wouldn't it suck if you found that really cool such & such that
you've always wanted on ebay, and its one day left and nobody has bid, so
you place a bid and are all set to win it for $2, then some joker comes
along who, not really interested in it himself, posts it to classiccmp and
now 15 people bid it up to $300.
That's what Doug is talking about. Its a double egded sword really.
But anyway, the point is an alternate discussion group was created for
ebay postings. It annoys me to see them posted here.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always hasslin' the man.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
10:05 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Sellam Ismail wrote:
That's not true. Many times there will be some item sitting in a back
corner of ebay that nobody but you finds, and you end up getting it
cheaply. Wouldn't it suck if you found that really cool such & such that
you've always wanted on ebay, and its one day left and nobody has bid, so
you place a bid and are all set to win it for $2, then some joker comes
along who, not really interested in it himself, posts it to classiccmp and
now 15 people bid it up to $300.
That's what Doug is talking about. Its a double egded sword really.
And the other side of that sword is that without awareness, stuff gets
thrown away. Someone would have to have their intelligence turned off at the
moment to think that the pricing that some items have received on ebay has
not encouraged other similar stuff to be posted for sale.
But anyway, the point is an alternate discussion group
was created for
ebay postings. It annoys me to see them posted here.
Take a look at what started this whole thing. If Doug had merely replied
that another list had been created for ebay postings, I would have no
problem with that and the matter would have most likely been dropped. Right
now, I am dealing with rl issues (not on this list) where highly talented
people are not getting involved because of the politics of the situation.
When I start to see similar situations begin to arise on this list more than
once, I *will* respond.
FWIW, the charter of this list would not ban ebay (or any other classic
computer) related issues, and any attempts to discourage that type of
listing (including usenet postings) are off topic.
11:21 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
I guess were just hopeless romantics then. I want to see the stuff become
available to those who would appreciate it, and not just come up for sale
because "Hey, I can make a $1000 on this old computer". Its the rape and
pillage of this once serene hobby of collecting retired computers and
bringing some life back into them for fun that I don't care for.
I never got into this for the money.
That's
what Doug is talking about. Its a double egded sword really.
And the other side of that sword is that without awareness, stuff gets
thrown away. Someone would have to have their intelligence turned off at the
moment to think that the pricing that some items have received on ebay has
not encouraged other similar stuff to be posted for sale. FWIW, the charter of this list would not ban ebay (or
any other classic
computer) related issues, and any attempts to discourage that type of
listing (including usenet postings) are off topic.
I'm off-topic! You're off-topic!! This whole mailing list is
off-topic!!! ;)
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always hasslin' the man.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
11:43 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Sellam Ismail wrote:
I guess were just hopeless romantics then. I want to see the stuff become
available to those who would appreciate it, and not just come up for sale
because "Hey, I can make a $1000 on this old computer". Its the rape and
pillage of this once serene hobby of collecting retired computers and
bringing some life back into them for fun that I don't care for.
I never got into this for the money.
I think being a hopeless romantic is a good thing! If stuff gets thrown
away because it is perceived as junk, then nobody gets a chance at it. One
thing I find *very* interesting is that when I receive an offer of
equipment/docs/etc. and I tell the person up front what it might be worth,
more frequently than not, I end up with the stuff anyway at no charge.
Right now, I have a lead on a SWTP S-50 bus machine, a mini in a rack (Data
General?), and other equipment of the same vintage. When I told them what
it might be worth, it was still offered to me. I have posted a number of
times the same situation, i.e. the IBM 5100 as one for-instance. Most
people I know are far more interested in a good home for their equipment
than in selling this stuff just for the money.
BTW, it probably needs to be added that this is a two way street; while I
frequently talk about receiving this stuff, I don't frequently talk about
the interaction that made the receiving situation possible in the first
place. I do spend a fair amount of time helping others with no particular
idea of getting something back in return.
11:13 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
I am real sorry for the following, but I have a two day email lag right
now, and once one dog howls, we should all get to bark a couple times if we
need to.
I sell things on eBay, so count that as my bias.
Are you
suggesting that the seller doesn't deserve the chance to get the
highest price they can find?
I'm suggesting that the seller already has the advantage. Why increase it
by turning this list into an advertising medium?
If you spot something that you think somebody would want, why not tell
that person on an individual basis rather than fueling a bidding frenzy
by tossing meat to a pack of wolves? (No offense to actual wolves
intended. No meat was harmed during the posting of this message.)
2 Mar
2 Mar
4:08 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
I am a bit touchy right now because yesterday I had a
very unpleasant phone
exchange. Typical story, guy buys a few pallets at auction, and finds in
this case some old macs in with the PC stuff he wants. He has, once it is
cleaned up and checked out, if it is as he describes maybe $400 retail of
goods. He doesn't just decline my very fair offer (about $150 for the
curious) in light of the actual untested pile of stuff on a pallet
condition, but tells me he will just throw it in a dumpster if he can't get
a retail price. Ignore the fact he paid 3 cents a pound or $20 a pallet,
and wants me to buy the part he doesn't want.
This is the worst kind of asshole and I've encountered them a few times.
I can't understand what goes through the puny mind of someone with this
sort of attitude.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always hasslin' the man.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
1 Mar
1 Mar
10:23 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, John Foust wrote:
At 02:02 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
I think what he is suggesting is that the seller does not deserve a
'shill' or a 'tout'!
- don
Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it?
Are you suggesting that the seller doesn't deserve the chance to
get the highest price they can find?
- John
9:46 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Doug wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
I am suggesting that if sellers don't see prices that get their attention,
some of this stuff would never be posted, and would very likely end up
recycled. Is that what you are after; to have people not even bother to post
stuff and recycle or dumpster it instead? What affect do you think the VCF
might be having on the collecting of computers? I'm sure Sam gets leads
(since he has posted some/most/all of them here) and without the publicity
that was generated by VCF, that would not have happened.
seems like harassing people who post ebay
auctions (and other items
elsewhere) really doesn't do a bit of good except to provide a bit of
irritation.
I thought we'd been through this before. The only thing advertising an
auction does is encourage a bidding war and drives the price up. This
benefits the seller, and nobody else. Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it? If somebody mentions something here that was offered
via Usenet or some
other sales outlet, then the advantage would have gone to anybody who had
been actively looking for the item and had spotted it earlier.
Given that you're a frequent seller on ebay, I can only guess at your
motivation for bringing this up again. Surely you're aware that ebay
slants the advantage toward the seller (the reserve trap door, the
silly proxy system, national advertising, etc.), that prices of classic
computing stuff on ebay is spiraling out of control, and that buyers could
use a break.
*Major* distortion of my selling status is not appreciated. First of all, I
have rarely sold any classic computer stuff on ebay. Second, ebay in and of
itself is an advantage to *both* buyers and sellers (and that has been
stated many times on the ebay boards) since stuff appears there that some
people have never seen, and probably would never see excepting a venue like
ebay. Trying to discourage sellers from listing (that I assume must be what
you are trying to do since why sell anything if it is just to be given away)
doesn't now seem IMNSHO a very good thing to do. Do you *really* think that
the Altairs, Poptronics issues, S100 stuff, etc., etc., etc. would even be
posted on ebay if the prices they might command were not available? It
sounds to me like you prefer to shoot yourself in the foot.
Since you seem to really dislike the concept of ebay, what do you think is a
better idea?
10:05 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
At 12:46 PM 3/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
Since you seem to really dislike the concept of ebay, what do you think is a
better idea?
Obviously, some kind of system to validate the Honest Intentions of
a buyer or a seller, and a top-secret to route sales only to those
who are Pure enough to bid. Everyone else is driving up the price
unnecessarily. Also, all actions of those with Honest Intentions
never have intended consequences, like alerting CNN's viewers to the
coolness of collecting old computers. :-)
- John
10:33 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Since you seem to really dislike the concept of ebay,
what do you think
is a better idea?
I love the idea of ebay. I think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I also love the idea of a classic computer discussion group. And I like
being able to choose which one I want to tune into at a given time. I
don't discuss classic computers when I'm on ebay, and I don't want to see
ebay ads when I'm discussing classic computers.
If you're really worried about items not finding homes, then feel free to
post the ebay ad here *after* the auction ends with no bidders.
-- Doug
11:26 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
I am suggesting that if sellers don't see prices
that get their
attention, some of this stuff would never be posted, and would very
likely end up recycled. Is that what you are after; to have people not
even bother to post stuff and recycle or dumpster it instead? What
affect do you think the VCF might be having on the collecting of
computers? I'm sure Sam gets leads (since he has posted some/most/all of
them here) and without the publicity that was generated by VCF, that
would not have happened.
I'm sorry, but this list should NOT be used by someone who isn't
satisfied by the price they are getting at Ebay... If you were at
a real auction and didn't like the price, what would you do, tell
everyone to hold on while you went outside and solicted more people
from off the street to bid? Please...!
Also, if the person is so interested in money that the ONLY alternative
is that they will dumpster it, I don't want to give them ANY business,
other than to raid their dumpster...
Please keep postings about ebay off this pure list... go to where it
is wanted... otherwise you are no better than any of the spammers
we fight on a regular basis...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
11:58 a.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Megan wrote:
Also, if the person is so interested in money that the ONLY alternative
is that they will dumpster it, I don't want to give them ANY business,
other than to raid their dumpster...
And if you don't know who, where, or what they are dumpstering? I saw a
whole pile of 11/23, 11/34, and a lot more stuff I didn't recognize being
given and then thrown away. At that point, I stripped what DEC cards I could
for the gold on the circuit cards (true.) At that point, I had no idea that
people actually might be interested in that stuff. I don't think that is
what you are after. As the old saying goes, ignorance can be corrected.
BTW, I still have those cards someplace, so I didn't actually go through
with cutting the edge connectors off for the gold.
Please keep postings about ebay off this pure list...
go to where it
is wanted... otherwise you are no better than any of the spammers
we fight on a regular basis...
Megan, I highly disagree with your last statement. The ebay postings are
on-topic whether they are of interest to you personally or not. This is a
diverse group of people on this list, and for any one group to say that
anothers classic interest should be excluded from this list is not right.
12:20 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Megan, I highly disagree with your last statement.
The ebay postings are
on-topic whether they are of interest to you personally or not. This is a
diverse group of people on this list, and for any one group to say that
anothers classic interest should be excluded from this list is not right.
Oh, come on. Take this to it's logical extreme. There are 1.7 million
items listed on ebay today. Let's say 1% of that might represent the
union of various interests represented on this list. That's 17,000 items
a day. It's your duty to ensure that any item of interest to anybody on
this list gets posted here. Else it just wouldn't be right.
Alternatively, everybody has the ability to search ebay for themselves.
That's why it's there. That's not what this list is for, but perhaps
Derek could clarify this matter with a little policy.
-- Doug
12:31 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Illogical.
Your facts are uncoordinated.
-Lawrence LeMay
Megan, I highly disagree with your last
statement. The ebay postings are
on-topic whether they are of interest to you personally or not. This is a
diverse group of people on this list, and for any one group to say that
anothers classic interest should be excluded from this list is not right.
Oh, come on. Take this to it's logical extreme. There are 1.7 million
items listed on ebay today. Let's say 1% of that might represent the
union of various interests represented on this list. That's 17,000 items
a day.
12:38 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Illogical.
Your facts are uncoordinated.
Thanks for the feedback, Mr. Spock :-)
ObCC: I have a Bogart Magnetic Core Storage System. I've heard "Bogart"
used in conjunction with CDC before. Does anybody know what, if any,
relationship there is?
-- Doug
5:16 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Megan, I highly disagree with your last statement. The
ebay postings are
on-topic whether they are of interest to you personally or not. This is a
diverse group of people on this list, and for any one group to say that
anothers classic interest should be excluded from this list is not right.
You can disagree all you want, but the fact is that the concensus in
the last go-around of this stuff was that it was NOT desired here. That
is why the other list was created. If you go against the wishes of
the majority, then you are spamming us.
Please take it to the other list. I'd rather read and talk about
the specifics of working with our collections.
Anyway, that's it for me on this... these messages are, in themselves,
off topic, so if you wish to debate it further with me, I'll gladly
do it off-list... but that is the end of my budget for talking about
it here...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
11:19 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
I'm sorry, but this list should NOT be used by
someone who isn't
satisfied by the price they are getting at Ebay... If you were at
a real auction and didn't like the price, what would you do, tell
everyone to hold on while you went outside and solicted more people
from off the street to bid? Please...!
If the auction isn't bringing the price desired it is common to halt it, or
pass the item. Having just survived a 3800 lot live auction that lasted all
weekend, and wasn't finished 1 am Monday, it is a circus. I just happen to
like the circus.
Also, if the person is so interested in money that the
ONLY alternative
is that they will dumpster it, I don't want to give them ANY business,
other than to raid their dumpster...
30 days in the can for the first offense. Computers don't like being
dropped in the dumpster much either.
Please keep postings about ebay off this pure list...
go to where it
is wanted... otherwise you are no better than any of the spammers
we fight on a regular basis...
I agree, except for cases where it is really interesting, or with a picture
etc. thats special.
1:49 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Ok, I'm sorry here, but I am going to step in, as the person that posted about
the e-bay item. My motivation was VERY simple. I saw, a manual that I had
just read, was hard to come by. I saw, that no one had bidded on this item,
and that the price was 1 dollar! Not overpriced like many items, but ONE
DOLLAR.
I felt, that there might be someone on this list, that could benefit from this
manual, and MIGHT JUST WANT TO KNOW about this chance to purchase this manual.
If you feel this is wrong, I am terribly sorry for bothering your e-mail with
my post. But I am sincerely tired, of trying to pass on information that I
feel others honestly may want to know about, and frankly getting hell over it.
Sorry to those that this doesn't apply too, but I think this needs to be said.
Noel
Doug wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Hmmm, with all the DEC handbooks being mentioned
here, why do you have a
problem with telling people the handbook is available? Somehow, it
seems like harassing people who post ebay auctions (and other items
elsewhere) really doesn't do a bit of good except to provide a bit of
irritation.
I thought we'd been through this before. The only thing advertising an
auction does is encourage a bidding war and drives the price up. This
benefits the seller, and nobody else. Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it?
If somebody mentions something here that was offered via Usenet or some
other sales outlet, then the advantage would have gone to anybody who had
been actively looking for the item and had spotted it earlier.
Given that you're a frequent seller on ebay, I can only guess at your
motivation for bringing this up again. Surely you're aware that ebay
slants the advantage toward the seller (the reserve trap door, the
silly proxy system, national advertising, etc.), that prices of classic
computing stuff on ebay is spiraling out of control, and that buyers could
use a break.
-- Doug 
7:38 p.m.
New subject: e-bay item
Noel,
No, don't stop. Keep posting your finds here. Some of us don't have hours
of time to spent searching E-bay.
Joe
At 04:49 PM 3/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry here, but I am going to step in, as
the person that posted
about
the e-bay item. My motivation was VERY simple. I saw,
a manual that I had
just read, was hard to come by. I saw, that no one had bidded on this item,
and that the price was 1 dollar! Not overpriced like many items, but ONE
DOLLAR.
I felt, that there might be someone on this list, that could benefit from
this
manual, and MIGHT JUST WANT TO KNOW about this chance
to purchase this
manual.
If you feel this is wrong, I am terribly sorry for bothering your e-mail with
my post. But I am sincerely tired, of trying to pass on information that I
feel others honestly may want to know about, and frankly getting hell over
it.
Sorry to those that this doesn't apply too, but I think this needs to be
said.
Noel
Doug wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Hmmm, with all the DEC handbooks being mentioned
here, why do you have a
problem with telling people the handbook is available? Somehow, it
seems like harassing people who post ebay auctions (and other items
elsewhere) really doesn't do a bit of good except to provide a bit of
irritation.
I thought we'd been through this before. The only thing advertising an
auction does is encourage a bidding war and drives the price up. This
benefits the seller, and nobody else. Are you suggesting that somebody
else might deserve the item more than the people who had already spotted
it and/or bid on it?
If somebody mentions something here that was offered via Usenet or some
other sales outlet, then the advantage would have gone to anybody who had
been actively looking for the item and had spotted it earlier.
Given that you're a frequent seller on ebay, I can only guess at your
motivation for bringing this up again. Surely you're aware that ebay
slants the advantage toward the seller (the reserve trap door, the
silly proxy system, national advertising, etc.), that prices of classic
computing stuff on ebay is spiraling out of control, and that buyers could
use a break.
-- Doug 
3:47 a.m.
At 02:29 01-03-1999 -0500, you wrote:
Just a note, some of us (like me) read the list in
digest form, one
big blob per day. It arrives around 2am with the previous days'
messages in it. Usually I read it around 11pm. So there is typically
<snip>
This is exactly why I'm waiting until this Wednesday to close the gate on
it. ;-)
Thanks for thinking of us.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
9271
days inactive
9272
days old
29 comments
13 participants
participants (13)
-
dastar＠ncal.verio.com -
donm＠cts.com -
doug＠blinkenlights.com -
jfoust＠threedee.com -
kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com -
lemay＠cs.umn.edu -
lwalker＠mail.interlog.com -
marvin＠rain.org -
mbg＠world.std.com -
mikeford＠netwiz.net -
nfields＠ix.netcom.com -
rigdonj＠intellistar.net -
yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu