Regarding that spam from the fellow selling computer parts... First, let me say that I've been actively fighting spam since I first got a dial-up 'net account in 1994. I've seen a lot of spams, and I've gotten to where I can usually tell when someone may have made an honest error in judgment, as far as advertising their new business, vs. actually doing intentional spam. The spam from Mr. Holtzclaw had the feel of an honest error to it. Here are the actions I've taken. 1). I have traced back the spam to its source, and notified the ISP involved (jaxn.com was indeed the source). Their AUP specifically prohibits spamming, so I would not be surprised if Mr. Holtzclaw starts looking for a new provider very soon. 2). I have sent a note to Mr. Holtzclaw, something I almost never do, explaining -- POLITELY -- about spam, about what he did, and where to find web resources that explain what spam is and why it is a Bad Thing. I'll keep the group updated with any responses I receive. Oh, and I also sent a message to our (perhaps justifiably) overzealous member who wanted to fire off a DoS attack on the responsible mail server. I have asked him not to do so, as fighting abuse with more abuse never gets anything done. Onward we go...! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."