15 Mar
2014
15 Mar
'14
1:58 p.m.
Hey,
A friend of mine has had an unassembled Heathkit H89 in original packaging.
He wants to know if it is worth any more or less because it was never
assembled. If anyone could help, we'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Joe.
15 Mar
15 Mar
2:09 p.m.
as in all things "value", YMMV however, unbuilt heatkits generally go
for significantly higher amts than built ones. Helps a lot if it's
still a sealed carton. assembled H89s run $100 up to occasionally as
high as 500-600 (again YMMV!!). Very few unbuilt H89s to compare against.
There's a Heath list he could post it to where any number of collectors
would jump at an unassembled kit... IF it was reasonably priced......
Steve Shumaker.
.3/15/2014 1:58 PM, Joe Giliberti wrote:
Hey,
A friend of mine has had an unassembled Heathkit H89 in original packaging.
He wants to know if it is worth any more or less because it was never
assembled. If anyone could help, we'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Joe.
2:13 p.m.
Hey Joe,
Generally speaking, any kits (Heath or otherwise) that are still NIB /
unassembled, tend to attract a certain type of collector.
If the kit is genuinely complete and in the original package, it should be
worth a fair bit more than a well-built and functioning unit. Or that's
what I've seen..
Actual figures can vary, considerably - but I think those are reasonable
guidelines.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey,
A friend of mine has had an unassembled Heathkit H89 in original packaging.
He wants to know if it is worth any more or less because it was never
assembled. If anyone could help, we'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Joe.
16 Mar
16 Mar
7:18 p.m.
Frankly I'll give the guy $800 for the unit just for the fun of building a
Heathkit.
However the big gotcha is "is everything there"? The H89 comes
un-assembled in two boxes, one for the CRT and one for everything else.
Another problem is partially assembled heathkits. A lot of times the
builder was in over his head and just quit, often with parts missing. You
see heathkits like this all the time on eBay.
Marc
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:13 PM, drlegendre . <drlegendre at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Joe,
Generally speaking, any kits (Heath or otherwise) that are still NIB /
unassembled, tend to attract a certain type of collector.
If the kit is genuinely complete and in the original package, it should be
worth a fair bit more than a well-built and functioning unit. Or that's
what I've seen..
Actual figures can vary, considerably - but I think those are reasonable
guidelines.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Hey,
A friend of mine has had an unassembled Heathkit H89 in original
packaging.
He wants to know if it is worth any more or less
because it was never
assembled. If anyone could help, we'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Joe.
17 Mar
17 Mar
1:31 p.m.
Frankly I'll give the guy $800 for the unit just for the fun of building a
Heathkit.
I seem t ormemebr the H89 kit was somewhat disappointing, in that the 2
main PCBS (the CPU bosrd and the terminal logic board) came
ready-assembled :-(. You had to solder the keyboard to its PCB, make the
PSU (very simple linear thing) and video monitor PCB amd put it all in
the case.
Personally, if I buy a kit, I expect to get a kit, loose components and
bare PCBs!.
Mind you, if I ever got an unassmbled heathkit, or any other kit, I
would assemble it. The whole point of htis unit is to run programs. Not
to sit as pile of parts in a cardboard box.
-tony
2:11 p.m.
You're probably right. I built a H19 (terminal only model). I can't
honestly remember if the terminal board was assembled or not. I'm pretty
sure the drive electronics board was un-assembled.
The most disappointing heathkit I ever built was after the Zenith
acquisition. The only board that was soldered was a 2" square board that
created a pattern generator for alignment. Even the cables were hecho en
Mexico. I think it took a whopping 2 hours to build, and that's a generous
estimate
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Frankly I'll give the guy $800 for the unit just for the fun of building
a
Heathkit.
I seem t ormemebr the H89 kit was somewhat disappointing, in that the 2
main PCBS (the CPU bosrd and the terminal logic board) came
ready-assembled :-(. You had to solder the keyboard to its PCB, make the
PSU (very simple linear thing) and video monitor PCB amd put it all in
the case.
Personally, if I buy a kit, I expect to get a kit, loose components and
bare PCBs!.
Mind you, if I ever got an unassmbled heathkit, or any other kit, I
would assemble it. The whole point of htis unit is to run programs. Not
to sit as pile of parts in a cardboard box.
-tony
18 Mar
18 Mar
3 p.m.
You're probably right. I built a H19 (terminal only model). I can't
honestly remember if the terminal board was assembled or not. I'm pretty
sure the drive electronics board was un-assembled.
Yes. I guess what you cal lthe 'drive electronics board' is what I called
the 'monitor PCB' -- the one flat i nthe bottom of the case thqt contains
the defleciton circuitry, etc. I am pretty sure that di come as a bare
PCB, and that the logic board, the one with the Z80, etc, on it, came
ready-built and tested
I have a Z90, ehivh id muvh the same machine as the h89, except that it
came compleletelyu assembled and had exra options installed at the
factory. Some of the docs I have really apply to the kit version, but of
course the scheamtics, etc, are the same.
The most
disappointing heathkit I ever built was after the Zenith
acquisition. The only
board that was soldered was a 2" square board that
created a pattern generator for alignment. Even the cables were hecho en
Mexico. I think it took a whopping 2 hours to build, and that's a generous
estimate 
20 Mar
20 Mar
2:20 p.m.
On 03/17/2014 03:31 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Mind you, if I ever got an unassmbled heathkit, or any
other kit, I
would assemble it. The whole point of htis unit is to run programs. Not
to sit as pile of parts in a cardboard box.
That was my first thought, too...
But on the back of that, I start thinking that there just aren't enough
hours in the day to run (and keep operational) everything that I have,
anyway - I end up with a few favourite systems, and lots more stuff that
spends most of the time just sitting on a shelf.
After thinking that, I then start thinking that maybe it'd be better to
keep it as a kit of parts, because there might come a time when there
aren't any kits left, and it would be more interesting to people in a
museum somewhere (particularly if all the assembled ones had long since
ceased to function anyway) in its current state.
Of course the reality is that I'd find it fun to assemble it and get it
working, and so perhaps wouldn't be able to resist :-) But I can
understand how there's an argument for keeping it as-is, even if the owner
isn't treating it as some form of investment.
cheers
Jules
21 Mar
21 Mar
2:06 p.m.
On 03/17/2014 03:31 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
> Mind you, if I ever got an unassmbled heathkit, or any other kit, I
> would assemble it. The whole point of htis unit is to run programs. Not
> to sit as pile of parts in a cardboard box.
This, of coruse, is a personal decision. There is no 'right' and 'wrong'.
It's your kit, you can do what the heck you liek with it, including
simply using the components for other projects. But then again...
That was my first thought, too...
But on the back of that, I start thinking that there just aren't enough
hours in the day to run (and keep operational) everything that I have,
anyway - I end up with a few favourite systems, and lots more stuff that
spends most of the time just sitting on a shelf.
Sure, I know the feeling.... Peronally, if I had a kit that I didn;t
want, and didn't have time to build, I would try to pass it on to
somebody who was goign to build it.
After thinking that, I then start thinking that maybe it'd be better to
keep it as a kit of parts, because there might come a time when there
aren't any kits left, and it would be more interesting to people in a
museum somewhere (particularly if all the assembled ones had long since
ceased to function anyway) in its current state.
Of coruse after that time, the kit would not work if assembled.. ICs wil
ldie whether in the kti or i nthe assmebled machine.
I can see what you are saying, but I do wonder at the interest in the
exact way the kit was packed. to me, that has nothing to do with
computing. I guess it does have some historical interest, but you have to
weigh that against the interest from havign a working H89 now. Which I
suspect is greater.
Of course the reality is that I'd find it fun to assemble it and get it
working, and so perhaps wouldn't be able to resist :-) But I can
understand how there's an argument for keeping it as-is, even if the owner
isn't treating it as some form of investment.
True. I know that _I_ would assemble it, becuase it would be fun for me
to do that. But then I've bought rare manuals in the shrink-wrap and
immediately ripped the wrapping off becasue I bought the manual to read,
not to look nice. Or I've unpacked 'new in box' items to use...
-tony
20 Mar
20 Mar
12:28 p.m.
Living Computer Museum is interested in purchasing unmade kits. Pitch them to me. Thanks!
Cynde
Cynde Moya, MLIS, PhD
Librarian/Archivist
Living Computer Museum
http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org
Vulcan Inc.
206-342-2385
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Subject: Re: H89 assembled or never assembled?
Frankly I'll give the guy $800 for the unit just for the fun of building a Heathkit.
However the big gotcha is "is everything there"? The H89 comes un-assembled in
two boxes, one for the CRT and one for everything else.
Another problem is partially assembled heathkits. A lot of times the builder was in over
his head and just quit, often with parts missing. You see heathkits like this all the
time on eBay.
Marc
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:13 PM, drlegendre . <drlegendre at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Joe,
Generally speaking, any kits (Heath or otherwise) that are still NIB /
unassembled, tend to attract a certain type of collector.
If the kit is genuinely complete and in the original package, it
should be worth a fair bit more than a well-built and functioning
unit. Or that's what I've seen..
Actual figures can vary, considerably - but I think those are
reasonable guidelines.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Joe Giliberti <starbase89 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Hey,
A friend of mine has had an unassembled Heathkit H89 in original
packaging.
He wants to know if it is worth any more or less
because it was
never assembled. If anyone could help, we'd appreciate it!
Thanks
Joe.
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