On 9/14/2016 2:30 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: 'ASK IDIOT BEN' A: No. Everybody is point and click. The real American OS is point and shoot.

On 9/14/2016 4:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: Busybox is the first big lawsuit over GPL as well, wonder if these folks complied with the various restrictions. thanks jim

On 9/14/2016 6:40 PM, Ian S. King wrote: Linux went a long time with no lawsuits that were legally precedent setting. I thought it interesting that the busybox folks were the first ones to raise a fuss. There has always been a tension with the intent of the GPL to force open source and the ways to legally protect works, so the lawyers, etc., are there, since there are lots of people wanting to take advantage. Point about Busybox is that I don't know if anyone else has ever, or is now watching with an intent to litigate. People are entitled to ask for their work whatever they like, or do the BSD thing and let it essentially go (or Apache, don't know whichever is the "free take" license). Usually disputes arise.

On 09/14/2016 05:57 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Oh, yeah, I'm running FreePBX on the computer that manages my home phone system (Linux-based). The PHONES (Snom 300's) run Linux! In fact, I think most VOIP phones have embedded Linux kernels in them. Jon

I intentionally kept the old T87-type thermostat when I bought this house because I understood its properties well and it was completely predictable. My sister, against my request, bought me a Nest. It's still in the box. I think it will make a dandy paperweight. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- /etc/motd: /earth is 98% full. please delete anyone you can. ---------------

On 09/15/2016 07:54 AM, tony duell wrote: (I don't mean to divert the thread stream; this is an explanation of why an IOT-connected unit wound up on my wall) It was a necessary (according to the installer) move as part of having my home's 24-year-old heat pump replaced. In that period, the US EPA has been in the picture very actively. The old R-22 refrigerant units are becoming a liability with ever-stricter restrictions on replacement refrigerant and technical certifications for handling. By 2020, dealing with them will be nigh impossible. The nature of failure of my own system was such that repairing it was impractical. The thermostat cable for the old one was the standard 7 wire hookup; the new system uses (IIRC) 9. Given the expense of pushing a new cable through finished walls and ceilings, a simple cable upgrade would have been prohibitively expensive. So a new 2-wire thermostat was employed instead (at the installer's expense) and it has WiFi, Web and Bluetooth connectivity as part of the package. Fortunately, all of the aforementioned can be disabled via appropriate selection on the (color) LCD graphic touchscreen. The previous heat pump started out with the usual mercury-switch bimetal thermostat--at some point I upgraded to a programmable electronic one and hoped to keep it. As an aside, I just about fainted when I saw the controller electronics for the heat pump. Boards full of SMT; lots of it. On the other hand, the unit does boast a lot of efficiency improvements and is very quiet. What with EPA regulations now, the old "builder's model" no-frills-barely-does-the-job units seem to be a thing of the past. --Chuck

On 09/19/2016 08:23 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: No danger there--I can't even *see* my neighbor's house from mine. --Chuck