8 Oct
2011
8 Oct
'11
8:11 p.m.
On 08/10/11 7:06 PM, jim s wrote:
On 10/8/2011 2:39 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
Connector design was an area where Apple would definitely change the
connector in order to meet Jobs' design goals. Examples include:
- ADC for early LCD displays (had to carry power, so DVI wasn't an
option) - Power Macs
- MiniDVI (Macbook)
- MiniDisplayPort (Macbook)
- AAUI (vs huge AUI) on Mac II and later
- Appletalk serial on classic Mac (vs PC DB-connector)
- keyboard RJ on classic Mac (PC was mostly using DIN at the time, I
guess)
- 25 pin SCSI on Mac Plus (space saving on motherboard)
- whatever crazy breakouts the Macbook Air needs
In most cases they had to go their own way because smaller variants of
connectors (like MiniDVI, MicroUSB, etc) take a very long time to
arrive, and Jobs/Apple tended to pressure design constraints in advance
of the rest.
--T
On 08/10/11 4:22 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
See, that's the difference between people who use Macs (and used them
the time) and the rest. Your superstition isn't true. There is perfect
interoperability with SCSI disks, tapes, scanners, printers, etc. This
was years in advance of the PC world noticing SCSI, of course...
While we're talking standard interfaces, Apple also introduced
IEEE-1394 to their desktops and laptops in advance of the rest.
There is no such thing as "perfect" interoperability on older SCSI
drives. Until drives had matured, the ITLQ nexus didn't work on most,
and you could kill drives by just sending out too many tag queue entries.
...
Another example, way off cctalk track. Ipod power / data connection. Can
anyone justify why there are different ipod connectors which are
incompatable, and why they don't use the mini usb? > I
don't like that fact that they rarely, if ever, follow standards.
Eh? The company that first made the leap to USB? SCSI?
This is one of the most egregious and ridiculous lies that people tell
about Apple.
I seem to rememebr there were some issues where the original Apple SCSI,
as on the Mac+ wasn't quite the same as the rest of the world.
I also remmeber that Apple Nubus was not the same as the Nubus standard.
If you'd used a Mac you know that automation facilities existed in
System 7, 8 and 9, and of course OS X, and there was third party
automation at least in System 6. There were also command lines
available, not least the well respected MPW shell, if you wanted one.
--Toby
> I don't like the fact that early Mac OSs
didn't have any form of
> command
> line
Eh, it didn't matter unless you were accustomed to a command line, and
Yes it does. The original Mac OSs didn't have any real way of automating
tasks. A computer is good at doing the same thing over and over again
with slight changes. Not to have that facility makes the machine
essentialyl useuless to me. the Mac's targer user certainly was not. You
are not the classic Mac's
target user, clearly.
Clearly not.
-tony