There are many
I think. It depends on what you mean by a GUI. DO you
incldue windowing systems that had a good command line interpretter, but
had some programs that were operated with pointign device (mouse),
pull-down menus, etc? I would, or at least I'd regard them as a close
ancestor.
With that in mind :
I notice you haven't included any of the 'classic' wokstations.
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they are unofficial on my wish-list, but until a hardware emulation
version is made, i'll wait
Why? they are not _that_ large (a calssic PERQ is one of the larger ones,
it's about the size of a 2-draaer deskside cabinet). They are also not
_that_ hard to keep going...
Runniong the rela hardware, at least for me, is the fun part of this
hobby :-)
There was a graphical frontend for OS-9 (Microware's OS, nothing to do
with the Mac) on the CoCo3 called, IIRC, Multiview.
i'll have to looking to that
There was certainly an Australian version of the CpCp3. It genrerated
50Hz PAL-encoded video and ran off 240V mains. It is very differnt to the
NTSC version, so don;'t think you'll conver the latter into the full PAL
version, but as I mentioned, you can covnert it for 240V mains and use an
NTSC-capable monitor with it.
The software exists, , but I haev no idea where you'd find it now.
[...]
I'd go for
an HP9830. It's easier to find than an original Altair, it
was
the first comptue that was an all-in-one machine that you put on a
desk/bench, plgged into the mains and typed BASIC on. I'ts certainly a
candidate for 'first personal computer.
don't get me started on the
'first personal computer'
No, that is a perpetual 'discussion'; here. It only becomes useful when
(as I did), you explain _why_ you consider a particualr machine to desrve
that title.
Even the defintiion of 'computer' is ont always clear (and I do not mean
things like 'The person who operates a calculating machine' which was,
IIRC the original definition). While soem things are clearly computers
and others equally clearly not, there are plenty of borderlien cases...
[...]
classic hardware only lasts as long are there are parts to repair them
hardware emulation/remakes[1]: smaller than the classic hardware
software emulations: no physical space need
Oh don't get me started..... My experience is that the older the machien
the _easier_ it is to get spare parts for it. It is very diffiuclt to get
replacement ICs for modern PCs (and soldering BGA pacakages is not
something I wish to attempt). Getting parts for 5 yewra old PCs is next
to impsosble. Go back a bit to the 1980s home computers, and most parts
are still easily aviaalble. The exception is the ULAs tht many such
machines used, of course. Go back to the PERQs, PDP11s, HP9800s, etc and
jsut about all the chips were standard TTL parts and while they are no
longer made ,the yare easy to find still. And they are simple enough that
in most cases you can concot a modern relpacement. Go back even further
and we are talking discrete transistors, which are easy to get.
Yes, there are parts -- mostly transformers and mechancial parts --
which can be hard to fidn for such older mahcines. But often they can be
repaired (transofrmers and motors can be rewound) or made in a good home
workshop
I would _much_ rather have ot maintain a EPRQ, a PDP11 or an HP9830, than
the the PC that runs emulators of such machines.
but do rmemeber it will need repairs from time
to time. Or you might buy a non-working machine. There are plenty of
people here who will help you sort out non-workign hardwre, but
ultimately it's you who have to make the measurements and do the repairs.
that
why I prefer working hardware
Yes, but working hardware may not stay working. You will have to fix
things sooner or later. AS I said, there are plenty of people here to
help you, with knowledge of just about every computer ecver made. But
unless we're at _your_ bench, we can't do it all...
-tony