cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22

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HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines (64,68,70, 37,...) (Rodney Brown) 12. Re: Adventures online (Doug Jackson) 13. Re: Adventures online (Chris Zach) 14. Re: Adventures online (Chuck Guzis) 15. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished (David Gesswein) 16. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished (David Gesswein) 17. Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished (Chris Zach) 18. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor) 19. Altair 8800 reproduction (Tom Hunter) 20. Re: Altair 8800 reproduction (Bill Degnan) 21. Re: Adventures online (Grant Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:40:13 +0100 From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> To: "'Dave Wade'" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, <antonio at acarlini.com>, "'Antonio Carlini'" < a.carlini at ntlworld.com> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available Message-ID: &lt;00c101d66057$89b6fb20$9d24f160$(a)ntlworld.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* huge. Regards Rob 'General (Oxfordshire). date). about: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:23:38 +0100 From: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com> To: rob at jarratt.me.uk, 'Dave Wade' <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org antonio at acarlini.com Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available Message-ID: <8eabc8e8-a1d7-c626-e252-7aa7a8f9176a at ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote: one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* huge. Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or? a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty small :-) The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and get some photos etc. of the various innards. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio at acarlini.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:52:14 +0200 From: 821 at 128.ca To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Adventures online Message-ID: <89C93C5F-E5DD-448A-80FC-71BA18326F94 at 128.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure games on a mainframe https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:19:45 +0000 From: <Martin.Hepperle at dlr.de> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Looking for copy of BASIC ROM for HP 3396B Integrator II Message-ID: <aa1e9dd115a349459386774e391fca93 at dlr.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Recently, I obtained a HP 3396B Integrator II. This is a device for the chemical analysis laboratory. I had hoped that this device contained a BASIC interpreter, but this was not the case. Through the serial interface I can connect a terminal program. Pressing CTRL+BREAK outputs the sign-on message serial interface: ~~HP3396,IBLI Unfortunately, typing "BX" for "Basic eXternal" on the keyboard tells me: BASIC NOT INSTALLED So I am wondering, whether I can install a BASIC by replacing the ROM with an EPROM. According to the "Installation and Service Manual", the ROM U 110 came in two versions: Z-80 Standard-ROM 03396-80012 Z-80 BASIC-ROM 03396-80032 This means that the BASIC is NOT in the cradled EPROM but in the ROM in the lower right corner of the PCB. My ROM 80013 is probably an revision of 80012. So: I need a copy of the 03396-80032 ROM chip. Additionally, if someone has the manual "RS232 Programming Manual", P/N 03396-90335", for the 3396 integrator. it would be great if he could scan the document and make the content available. [I have the remaining manuals and already sent scans to the HP Museum in Australia for making them available o their site. Main PCB: +----------------+ +----------------+ | PPP EPROM | | U 111 | | 27C011-200V10 | | 27C010-150V10 | | 03396-80106 | | 03396-80023 | +----------------+ +----------------+ +----------------+ +----------------+ | U 317 | | U 110 | | 27128A | | ROM | | 03396-80043 | | 03396-80013 | +----------------+ +----------------+ Opening the Case - remove transparent cover from printer compartment by pressing the hinge flaps inside - remove 2 screws close to rear edge, from top - remove 2 screws in printer compartment from top - remove keyboard: - keyboard is "hinged" at the front with three rigid noses - use a pry tool to open the 3 latches at the rear edge of the keyboard plate - lift the rear edge and pull the plate back - if you are careful, the ribbon cable can stay in place, you can thread the keyboard plate through the case opening - lift case cover upwards Thank you for reading, Martin ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:37:52 -0700 From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net> To: <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Adventures online Message-ID: <005b01d66067$f9b428c0$ed1c7a40$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Too popular for its own good. Currently failing due to a lack of memory. -Ali ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:51:02 +0200 From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca> To: Ali <cctalk at ibm51xx.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <E6B117CD-3917-4E23-93CF-C1B1E66A8B78 at 128.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well still glad its getting used :) cheers ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:10 -0700 From: "Ali" <cctalk at ibm51xx.net> To: "'Kevin Lee'" <821 at 128.ca>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Adventures online Message-ID: <006201d66069$f8bfa4b0$ea3eee10$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So am I except I want to use it as well LOL! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:15:57 -0500 From: Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <CCTalk at ClassicCmp.org> Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <20200722211557.GA12684 at RawFedDogs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running? -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:50:06 +0200 From: Kevin Lee <821 at 128.ca> To: "Kevin at rawfeddogs.net" <Kevin at RawFedDogs.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <F033CC41-2932-42B8-9549-DF0ADE4B384E at 128.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ask the tweet included in the initial posting.. I have nothing to do with it .. cheers cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: games ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:34:03 +0100 From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> To: <antonio at acarlini.com>, <rob at jarratt.me.uk>, "'Dave Wade'" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>, "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available Message-ID: &lt;00e001d66078$33eeac30$9bcc0490$(a)ntlworld.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well I suppose the important thing is that they have been spoken for. Hopefully I will get to see Dave's in action. take one huge. small :- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:09:50 +1000 From: Rodney Brown <rdbrown0au at gmail.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: HP3000 Microcode is in SYSDUMP (backup) for WCS machines (64,68,70, 37,...) Message-ID: <d4f4a716-0271-e089-9937-9c52f3a6380f at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed If written on a Series 64, 68 or 70, or on the Series 37 or it's successors, the first file on a SYSDUMP (Backup) tape may include the Microcode from the WCS (Writeable Control Store). Please collect such files if you have tapes available that you can read. Note that the first file includes a concatenation of system objects, ending with (optionally) the directory so that may leak data that should remain private. It's possible that the distribution tape for MPE V Release 3P G.40 that the HP Computer Museum has http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=442 might also include the WCS data. The bootable disc image for the Series 37 and it's successors will. The Museum website doesn't mention media for their 68. Thanks as always to Al Kossow for his BitSavers work. 30140-90045_Series_64_68_70_Microcode_Manual_Oct86.pdf has a 543 page listing of the microcode assembly output, which should wait for better OCR software. SYSDUMP Format ? |-------------------------| <--- ENTRY POINT #1 (ROM BASED ? |????? CHECKSUM?????????? | 0??? MACHINES) ? |? AMIGO CHANNEL PROGRAM? | --|??? WCS TABLE PRT??????? | 95 | |-------------------------| 127 | |--???????????????????? --| | |--?? AMIGO???????????? --| | |-------------------------| ->|???? WCS TABLE?????????? | | |-------------------------| ... G.01.00 16- 10 32033-90010_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.00.00_Sep84.pdf? 16-7? pg 127 in PDF 32033-90040_MPE_V-E_Tables_G.01.00_Jan85.pdf? 16-10 pg 133 in PDF 32033-91047_MPE_V_Tables_Manual_Oct1991.pdf?? 16-10 pg 146 in PDF Descriptions of the WCS Table Format are in 16-13 to 16-15 of the 1991 edition Different formats for the Series 6x/70 and the Series 37, 37XP and 37 Micro #Capture of Co-Cam's Series 52 final full backup (SYSDUMP @. at .@) in Feb 1995. (So no WCS table entry) # 0 is the first file on the tape, the start of which is documented above $ od -Ad --endian=big -tx2 0 | head - 40 0000000 e0e0 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 0000016 0400 0e41 0180 0002 0501 0000 0000 fff5 0000032 0401 0001 0000 0400 0e43 0200 0000 0501 0000048 0000 0000 ffea 0300 007e 0440 8000 0200 0000064 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0001 0000 4400 0000080 0e43 0302 0002 0000 0400 0e40 0200 0000 0000096 0501 0000 f38d ffd1 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000112 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0000176 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 0000192 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0000256 0000 0000 0009 0813 0909 0301 0003 0000 0000272 0400 0201 0180 0002 0401 002e 0001 8800 0000288 0204 0f07 0000 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 0000304 ffec 0000 fff1 0401 0001 0000 0400 0203 0000320 0200 0000 0501 0000 0000 ffdf 0300 0100 0000336 0440 8000 0e40 0000 0002 0000 fff1 0407 0000352 0001 0000 4400 0203 0302 0002 0000 0400 0000368 0200 0200 0000 0501 0000 0c02 ffc6 0000 0000384 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 * 0000416 000a 0000 f000 000c 000b 0016 f000 0017 0000432 000b 000b f000 0022 000b 0000 f000 0000 0000448 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 0000 * 0000624 0000 002d 0000 0000 0000 002d 0000 3238 0000640 3333 4120 2020 0000 1820 0000 1000 15d8 0000656 2eb4 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000672 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ... $ head -20 blks/0.blks # tape block sizes in bytes 256 126 256 * 2 8192 * 6 256 8192 * 2 256 126 256 8192 * 10 256 8192 * 10 256 8192 * 10 256 96 2910 80 24 $ ls -lh 0 -r-xr-xr-x 1 rdb rdb 3.5M Dec 12? 2006 0 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:35:33 +1000 From: Doug Jackson <doug at doughq.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <CAM_9E60RKe-D8ynRrNL= op+HnKvor24cDmtG1JQtn6VSUCGjog at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sadly, the original tweet doesn't mention what mainframe - Somebody did ask, and there was no response I could see. The error messages suggest it's some sort of Linux system using Docker containers, so it's not OS/360 :-) I suspect given that it's running out of memory, that it's yet another linux box. Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: doug at doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use. Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal liability. :-) Be nice to your parents. Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:50 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Ask the tweet included in the initial posting.. > I have nothing to do with it .. cheers > > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:52:14PM +0200, 821--- via cctalk wrote: > > >> Almost all InfoCom adventure games now online running on a mainframe! > >> Telnet to 35.209.67.107 (guest/guest1) and play text mode adventure > games > >> on a mainframe > >> > >> https://twitter.com/bmoshix/status/1285905078373814273/photo/1 > > > What make/model mainframe are they running on, and what OS is it running? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:52:14 -0400 From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <6ae549f7-011e-8c1b-4858-769d427ba4c8 at alembic.crystel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Just put up a big pdp11 and be done with it. Hm. Running on Simh a fully loaded 11 should handle just about anything the internet could toss at it... C On 7/22/2020 10:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: for cctalk at classiccmp.org> running? ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:42:58 -0700 From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> To: Chris Zach via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <5f853e65-1d98-cdca-78c5-1cb9f7c865b2 at sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 7/22/20 7:52 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: A PDP11 might be a "mainframe" (personally, I'd call it a minicomputer), but in the world of mainframes, it's hardly "big". FWIW, Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:38:20 -0400 From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com> To: cctech at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished Message-ID: <20200722223820.GA4802 at hugin3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:12:10PM -0400, Chris Zach wrote: 6085? Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:54:30 -0400 From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com> To: cctech at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished Message-ID: <20200722225430.GB4802 at hugin3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:58:01AM -0700, Ian Finder wrote: is > extinct in the wild... It may exist but is wounded. https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/Install/standardized/eth… All the 10S disks seem to have been read in a way that only got 9 sectors per track so are no good. The ethernet_hardware_diag.dd is bad. The files are in multiple locations on this site but any 10S image thats not 404480 is bad. Manual is here https://archives.loomcom.com/retrocomputing/UnixPC/3B1_Docs/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:22:12 -0400 From: Chris Zach <cz at alembic.crystel.com> To: cctech at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Getting files off a 7300--Mission accomplished Message-ID: <fa6e0648-a9a6-8dd6-36af-42dc43e5d98b at alembic.crystel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hm. Then I have a dillema. When I popped in the Miniscribe and tried booting it started reading the disk then popped out a boot error. Possibly a bad sector, but how can I read this disk to find the rest of the data? Hm.... Anyone got one of those Beaglebone/RPI to MFM readers I could borrow for a bit to slurp this drive? C On 7/22/2020 6:38 PM, David Gesswein via cctech wrote: 6085? >> > Yes it was. http://www.pdp8online.com/3b1/drive.shtml ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:32:41 -0600 From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <35e88690-9ada-e57b-281e-cbfdbfc54d71 at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 7/22/20 8:35 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: I asked @bmoshix what the system was. I've not gotten a reply yet. I half way expect that it's Docker running on z/OS. It could be Docker on Linux on Z, but I'd be mildly surprised by that. I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following file name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture. /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:39:20 +0800 From: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Altair 8800 reproduction Message-ID: <CAALEduAgZnPn=1ebHadg3vyTW486= woRiQxEvZUwG4NYUm7n7Q at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" About 10 years ago Grant Stockly in Anchorage Alaska produced high quality MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: http://www.altairkit.com/ I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real thing. Thanks Tom Hunter ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:09:14 -0400 From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> To: Tom Hunter <ccth6600 at gmail.com>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Altair 8800 reproduction Message-ID: <CABGJBueOtGo6+CGCx0_xC6oe+uMO= z2VK7q0+XRghfod8h-t6Q at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This comes up from time to time, I don't believe he is making any more kits. I have not heard from him for a while. Bill On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: quality > MITS Altair 8800 reproductions in kit form. The website still exists: > http://www.altairkit.com/ > I have tried to contact Grant but did not get a reply. Does anyone know if > these kits are still available? Is Grant on this forum? > Alternatively is somebody else making complete Altair 8800 kits? I have > found people making individual boards but not a complete kit. > There is also the Altair 8800 clone which is based on a PIC microcontroller > emulating the entire original Altair 8800. It is cute but not the real > thing. > Thanks > Tom Hunter ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:32:42 -0600 From: Grant Taylor <cctalk at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Adventures online Message-ID: <edc2ecdd-4165-9e36-0e14-4fc3346cc12b at gtaylor.tnetconsulting.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 7/22/20 11:32 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: @bmoshix replied that it's Linux running on a mainframe. So, apparently not Docker running on z/OS. I'm mildly surprised. > I doubt it's Linux on a more typical system. Though the following > file name in the dump makes me think it's AMD-64 architecture. > /usr/local/go/src/runtime/asm_amd64.s Now I'm more confused as to why asm_amd64.s, something I assume is related to x86_64 ~> PC (compatible) is being used. I wonder if the copies of the games that @bmoshix is running were written for a mainframe or a PC (compatible). The latter makes more sense with the asm_amd64.s and comments about installing these games on a PC. -- Grant. . . . unix || die End of cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 22 **************************************