On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jules Richardson wrote:
  On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 15:07 -0500, Randy McLaughlin
wrote:
  I like and prefer media images as straight data
dumps but I want the
 formatting information of the original media somewhere.  I even want data
 from media that is incomplete or has errors, also documented. 
 Yep, me too. From when we were bashing around ideas about this though a
 few months back it seems that's a minority viewpoint; most people want
 data embedded in the metadata.
 For hard drive images I zero-pad any bad data but also include metadata
 in a seperate file - including disk geometry, which blocks are bad,
 resulting dump checksum, timestamp etc. along with anything else that
 might be particularly useful. For floppy images things would be
 significantly more complex though (due to factors as mentioned - variant
 sectors/track, different encoding for different tracks etc.)
 The idea behind futurekeep though was to make the metadata highly
 structured and in a similar vein to HTML in that clients could handle as
 much of the data as needed (eg. someone not dealing with variable bit
 rate images wouldn't need a decoder that could handle them). Ideally
 it'd be human-readable too (after a fashion) - e.g. XML - so that the
 data could be reconstructed into a disk image "by hand" even if some
 whizzy util to do it wasn't present. (understanding it at a file level
 is obviously outside the scope)
 That doesn't seem *too* much to ask; basic metadata can be created for
 existing images without a lot of hassle *if desired*. To me such a
 format's more useful for future image creation though, particularly in
 the case of less-common systems; the popular machines are likely to be
 covered by their own archive formats already and the following large
 enough that lack of data is not (yet) a problem. Rather than messing
 around with proprietary image formats for those, or formats that aren't
 particularly descriptive, it'd be nice to start from day 1 using
 something that allows us to capture all the useful stuff that goes along
 with the raw data. 
Sorry to quote the entire message, but mostly what Jules said is my
response.
I just don't want to engage in a discussion and explain/defend the
FutureKeep concept until we've progressed a bit farther with it.  I've
been so tied up with finishing other outstanding projects over the past
several months that FutureKeep has effectively stalled, though I'm gearing
up on it again.
I think once people see the draft proposal of FutureKeep all fleshed out,
which takes into account the ephemeral nature of digital media in general,
and which incorporates philosophies which will hopefully ensure that image
archives stay around for a long time, they will see the value of it and
not only support but actively use it.
We have some very smart people working on it.  Once we get rolling again
we'll want more involved.  I suspect things will start to heat up again in
a couple more weeks, and I will post an announcement here (and of course
on the FK mailing list) once things start to roll.
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Sellam Ismail                                        Vintage Computer Festival
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