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Subject: RE: PDP-1 as minicomputer [was RE: OT - sort of]
On 17 Aug 2010 at 15:14, dwight elvey wrote:
IBM had a series of small computers they called
minis that used
water cooling. These where about the size of three standard desk,
end-to-end.
Is it safe to say that there were no minicomputers called as such
before 1960, simply owing the etymology? The BMC Mini auto dates
from 1960 or so and the miniskirt, from 1966.
With the PDP-1, I wonder if the the "mini" applied more to cost than
physical size.
This is probably one of the most problematic questions I try to answer, far too often: why
is X a minicomputer and not something else? I think of a minicomputer as a machine
designed to not require an operator staff, designed for direct interaction between the
user and the computer (rather than batch operation), and designed for a *relatively* small
resource footprint (the PDP-1 required a LOT less resources than a 7090). There is a lot
of fuzz around all of these factors. Is a VAX-11 a minicomputer? It takes three-phase
power and was intended to serve as a large timeshared system. There is a mechanism to run
batch jobs. There was a role defined for the "system manager" who maintained
various aspects of the OS environment. However, at the same time IBM's product line
consisted of machines that still cost ten times as much, could NOT be meaningfully
maintained without an operations staff and were fundamentally designed for batch
processing. The VAX-11 was "mini" by comparison. It is feasible for one person
to operate and use a VAX; the question in the context of a VAX-11 is an economic one, not
a question of operational overhead.
Consider that when IBM transistorized the 709, they did NOT build a smaller computer based
on the increased functional density of the transistor. They built a large computer with
more capability. In contrast, the PDP-1 was intended to be small enough that it
wasn't a perceived economic absurdity for it to be used single-user.
For counterpoint, the PDP-10 was never intended to be anything other than a
mainframe-class machine. Its capabilities, capacity and footprint all served as direct
competition to System/360. So DEC != minicomputer, although they were the leading
manufacturer of that class of machine for many years - indeed, until the microcomputer
began overshadowing the mini.
This is an interesting question, and I hope we can have some meaningful dialogue about it
- and maybe even stay on topic. :-) -- Ian