30 Sep
2011
30 Sep
'11
2:33 a.m.
Hi Rob,
I am also interested, if you find something, please send me a note, thanks.
With best regards
Gerhard
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks
(Alexandre Souza - Listas)
2. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
(Alexandre Souza - Listas)
3. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks (Tony Duell)
4. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation (Dave McGuire)
5. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (emanuel stiebler)
6. Re: Apple 2gs goodies (Gene Buckle)
7. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (Gene Buckle)
8. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation (Chuck Guzis)
9. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Dave McGuire)
10. Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system)
(Chuck Guzis)
11. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Chuck Guzis)
12. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (Dave McGuire)
13. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's (steve shumaker)
14. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks (Chuck Guzis)
15. Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system)
(Chuck Guzis)
16. HP-UX 10.20 manuals (Eric Smith)
17. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (joe heck)
18. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
(Chris Elmquist)
19. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (Brian Wheeler)
20. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (Dave McGuire)
21. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's (Josh Dersch)
22. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's (steve shumaker)
23. Altos CPM and MPM disks (Jerry Wright)
24. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's (SPC)
25. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas (Huw Davies)
26. Algol 68C For PDP-10 (Rob Jarratt)
27. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation
(Christian Corti)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:34:00 -0300
From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks
Message-ID: <F6EEB8A1C3634D4FBBB603FBE944D92C at portajara>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hey, you'll be there?! Yes, I'm thinking Dan Roganti (from whom I
now live right up the road) and I, as well as my fiancee' Autumn, will
almost definitely be in attendance. We'll have to catch up on that
privately before the event so we can find each other.
And since you'll be in town, you're welcome to come up to see my new
place. It's very much a work in progress, but I have a 4700-square-foot
room here filled to the gills with awesome hardware. Most of my old
iron is here now, though not quite all. My new place is in New
Kensington, about 18mi NE of Pittsburgh proper, right up Route 28.
Neat!
I'm currently borrowing Dan's AVRISP mkII, but I have a Chinese clone
of that module on the way to me now.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:52:36 -0600
From: emanuel stiebler <emu at e-bbes.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID: <4E84DA94.4010001 at e-bbes.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 2011-09-29 07:38, joe heck wrote:
It's a completely different form-factor of tape, for one thing. ;)
The TU58 is a DC100-style cartridge.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:05:31 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system)
Message-ID: <4E847B2B.13899.17A61E7 at cclist.sydex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:21, Tony Duell wrote:
Ya... good idea except, I can measure nice clean tach pulses on the
board after the op-amp stage that the photo transistor in the interrupter
drives. So, I think I'm getting good tach signal from the interrupter.
I've completely cleaned the unit so the dust bunnies have been long since
exorcised.
--
Chris Elmquist
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:08:54 -0400
From: Brian Wheeler <bdwheele at indiana.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID: <1317344936.5244.2.camel at bender>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 14:00 -0700, Gene Buckle wrote:
well, to be fair, focus was the problem: I was in the wrong window when
I was typing into simh :)
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:44:44 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID: <4E852D1C.6060404 at neurotica.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
On 09/29/2011 09:08 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
well, to be fair, focus was the problem: I was in the wrong window when
I was typing into simh :)
Yes, I figured as much. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:52:40 -0700
From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at mail.msu.edu>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's
Message-ID: <4E852EF8.4020001 at mail.msu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steve shumaker wrote:
Thanks! I rescued an Altos 8100 a couple months ago that appears in
pristine
shape. Disks would be awesome!
Steve
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:31:50 +0200
From: SPC <spedraja at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's
Message-ID:
<CACytpF-gWcQDk2nn6R708N=2SZsYJ04P4p5_aSFWntc=mhHZxA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I got one altos with 8 inch drives which uses cp/m. I,m interested.
El 29/09/2011 21:59, "Rik Bos" <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> escribi?:
My intent in the next couple of weeks is to blog it on
Erik's VC
site. But as Dave says, combinatorial logic is pretty easy. Digging
inside of a GAL can be very challenging indeed if the security fuses
are blown (and on most commercial gear, they are).
Chuck, please keep me informed about that ;)
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:35:58 -0300
From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
Message-ID: <549B138148454E85BDDD51179A233191 at portajara>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
I believe there's an optical shaft encoder on
the spindle motor of the
TU58. I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal)
and the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with dust bunnies, then test
the opto interruptor itself.
What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal DC-600 drive? Can't be
used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58?
I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :)
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:31:14 +0100 (BST)
From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks
Message-ID: <m1R9NGL-000J4TC at p850ug1>
Content-Type: text/plain
A worthwhile project might be a cheap "universal
PROM/PAL" reader.
I built one years ago, initially for the CoCo, I later used in on an
MS-DOS machine.
It consists of 16 output lines (notionally address, but could be used for
enables/clocks where nexcessoar), 8 input lines (used to read in the
data), and +/-5V, +/-12V power lines. The CoCO version used TTL latches
and buffers, the PC version used an 8255 PCB from Maplin. A manual toggle
swithc tri-states all ouytput lines and turns off the PSU rails so you
can safely insert/remove ICs. These signals all go to one row of pins of
a 64 pin DIN 41612 socket. The other row of pins is wired ot the 32 pins
of a ZIF socket.
I then have little boards with a DIN41612 plug wired appropriately to
conenct the inputs, outputs, and power lines ot the right pins of the
socket. I suspect that for me, soldeirng up wone of those boards takes
less time than modifying a configuration file, so it's actually easier
for me to do it in hardware than to have thing that's configured in
software.
-tony
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:46:20 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation
Message-ID: <4E84D91C.5080800 at neurotica.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 09/29/2011 04:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Dave
McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
> I just landed a big consulting job (one of the
reasons I'm in the
process
of moving from
FL to PA, there's actual WORK here!)
Hope to see you at the Pittsburgh Mini Maker Faire next month. that will have
me doing a lot of AVR work. I'm looking forward to that.
Cool. I mess with Arduino for fun and as an instructor for a couple of
groups in Columbus. > That was why I was dicking
> with the Arduino board this morning (with bare metal, no Arduino
platform),
to test my
freshly-built cross-compilation and programming toolchain.
Yep. Been doing that for a couple of years - works great. I use a
USBtinyISP to stuff the code down the pipe, though there are lots of
inexpensive or free options. Hi,
Our 3100 is dying. Thinking of running SIMH.
Which model, and what is dying?
It probably is an easy fix, 3100's are cheap, even on ebay.
cheers
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Apple 2gs goodies
Message-ID:
<alpine.LFD.2.00.1109291358070.32584 at grumble.deltasoft.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, David Griffith wrote:
Has anyone here bought Apple 2gs stuff from 16sector.com? Playing with an
emulator got me thinking about pulling out the actual
hardware and hopping
it
up to what I craved the first time round. They have
an 8M memory expander
and an IDE interface, among other things. Someone
else,
a2retrosystems.com,
has ethernet interfaces now and then.
The FocusIDE card my BBS is running from came from him - as well as my SSC
and No Slot Clock. Tony is a stand up guy.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID:
<alpine.LFD.2.00.1109291359580.32584 at grumble.deltasoft.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's
reply
quote? ;) *snicker*
-Dave
On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the
background)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end.
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:01:49 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation
Message-ID: <4E847A4D.24782.176FD9E at cclist.sydex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 29 Sep 2011 at 16:09, Dave McGuire wrote:
I just landed a big consulting job (one of the
reasons I'm in the
process of moving from FL to PA, there's actual WORK here!) that will
have me doing a lot of AVR work. I'm looking forward to that. That
was why I was dicking with the Arduino board this morning (with bare
metal, no Arduino platform), to test my freshly-built
cross-compilation and programming toolchain.
If you program in assembly, you'll learn to hate the AVR assembler.
(Yeah, I know there's one in GCC as well, but it's not the same
thing, as a *real* macro assembler). Must have been an assignment
for an intern.
There are better alternatives, if you're willing to work a bit to
keep things updated to the chip you're working on.
--Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:01:49 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
Message-ID: <4E84DCBD.7040005 at neurotica.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 09/29/2011 04:35 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
I believe
there's an optical shaft encoder on the spindle motor of the
TU58. I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal)
and the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with dust bunnies, then
test the opto interruptor itself.
What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal DC-600 drive? Can't be
used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58?
I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :) Or a mu-metal box?
I've seen permalloy foil, so you could wrap the floppies in that...
--Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:17:18 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
Message-ID: <4E847DEE.20017.1852BAF at cclist.sydex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 29 Sep 2011 at 17:35, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal
DC-600 drive? Can't
be used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58?
I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :)
Other than physical aspects of the tape cartridge and drive, the TU58
uses a factory-preformatted tape with special marks recorded for BOT
and EOT. A DC600 QIC02 style tape uses holes punched into the tape
and an optical sensor to determine BOT/EOT.
The TU58 is actually closer to a 3M Iotamat drive.
Given the cantankerousness of the medium, however, TU58 emulators
have been developed.
--Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:24:33 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID: <4E84E211.6000902 at neurotica.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 09/29/2011 05:00 PM, Gene Buckle wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
ROFL!!
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:28:08 -0700
From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's
Message-ID: <4E84E2E8.9040505 at att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's
reply quote? ;) *snicker*
-Dave
On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the
background) Spoken for..
oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of the
cpm disks..... please....
steve
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:29:08 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks
Message-ID: <4E8480B4.30161.18FFE9E at cclist.sydex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:31, Tony Duell wrote:
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL
8"disc's
Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's
About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the
discs...
-Rik
A worthwhile project might be a cheap "universal
PROM/PAL" reader.
>
> I built one years ago, initially for the CoCo, I later used in on an
> MS-DOS machine.
>
> It consists of 16 output lines (notionally address, but could be used
> for enables/clocks where nexcessoar), 8 input lines (used to read in
> the data), and +/-5V, +/-12V power lines. The CoCO version used TTL
> latches and buffers, the PC version used an 8255 PCB from Maplin. A
> manual toggle swithc tri-states all ouytput lines and turns off the
> PSU rails so you can safely insert/remove ICs. These signals all go to
> one row of pins of a 64 pin DIN 41612 socket. The other row of pins is
> wired ot the 32 pins of a ZIF socket.
Mine is currently populated for 8 input, 12 output, but has positions
for an extra 151 and one more 393. That expands it to 16 outputs,
and 20 inputs (from the DUT's perspective) (the low order 4 bits of
the first 393 drives the select on the 151s).
I've got headers on all of the outputs and inputs as well as on the
DUT socket, so it's just a matter of jumpering things how you'd like.
With a wirewrap gun, it's literally just a couple of minutes to
change the configuration.
But a uC has a huge advantage when creating a general solution, as
you don't need any sort of pin drivers--just change the programming
for the uC pins and you're all set.
I was lazy with mine--I knew that counters would work and required no
device programming, leaving the smarts on the PC side.
--Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:32:20 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system)
Message-ID: <4E848174.19280.192ECFC at cclist.sydex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:25, Tony Duell wrote:
Is it? I thought a dipole field fell off as 1/R^3.
Anyway, it falls
off pretty fast.
It's more complicated than that. At *near* distances, it's inverse-
square; at *far* distances, it's inverse-cube. At intermediate
distances, it's somewhere betweeen the two and a nightmare to
calculate.
--Chuck
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:23:53 -0700
From: Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: HP-UX 10.20 manuals
Message-ID: <4E850C19.7010705 at brouhaha.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Are the HP-UX 10.20 manuals available online in PDF format somewhere? I
can find a lot of 11.x manuals on the HP site, but nothing for 10.20.
Failing that, was there a documentation CD or the like?
Thanks!
Eric
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:36:18 -0400
From: joe heck <trash3 at splab.cas.neu.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
Message-ID: <4E850F02.9090200 at splab.cas.neu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Thanks for all the ideas, folks. Yes, I've looked into Charon and the
cost would probably bankrupt the company. At least that's how I read
their price list. Yes, it's the right way to go, but...
I suppose the company could take the COBOL code and move it to a real PC
environment as well...get away from VMS entirely.
Since at least one person suggested staying with the real hardware,
perhaps that is the best bet. I'm not even happy about upgrading the
OS, since I really don't want to get the license manager into a fit.
The hardware seems pretty stable, except for the disks. I had asked
about disks a while back and got many excellent responses. However, I
went with one which was to buy the new "cheetah"? drive, very big, and
unfortunately, 5.5-2 won't support it, along with the firmware. My bad,
I forget to say the system is running antiquated software. So, it's
back to the 4GB drives. Went with a used drive from a reputable vender,
and things are stable for now.
You've given me many good options to think about, so now I have to make
a recommendation to my friend/client. Just when I was about to retire
and get out of the business...
Thanks again,
Joe Heck
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:38:18 -0500
From: Chris Elmquist <chrise at pobox.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape
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On Thursday (09/29/2011 at 04:29PM -0400), Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Dave McGuire
<mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
> ?I believe there's an optical shaft encoder
on the spindle motor of the
> TU58. ?I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal)
and
> the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with
dust bunnies, then test the
opto
interruptor
itself.
I can't remember the symptoms when it doesn't work, but it's a good
thing to check. If the device was powered on for thousands and
thousands of hours, the IR diode could be a bit dim - I've seen that
with 15+ year old optical interrupters before (and successfully
repaired the gear with a new interrupter). On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's
reply
quote? ;)
*snicker*
-Dave
On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the
background)
g.
>> Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo
just before Brian's mailer's
reply
quote? ;) *snicker*
-Dave
On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the
background)
g.
On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies -- I'll
definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know!
Josh
Spoken for..
oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of
the cpm disks..... please.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL
8"disc's
Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's
About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format
the
discs...
-Rik
steve
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:31:15 -0700
From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL 8"disc's
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On 9/29/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steve shumaker wrote:
Thanks! I rescued an Altos 8100 a couple months ago that appears in
pristine shape. Disks would be awesome!
Steve
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry Wright <g-wright at att.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Altos CPM and MPM disks
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I have a large collection of cpmmpm disks for
the Altos Z-80 series. which I have shared with other
list members not sure why they have not been made available
by now on line. Its been years Since I gave these out . I Had
given Don Maslin my complete collection but realized these
ended with his death .
- Jerry
________________________________
From: steveshumaker <shumaker at att.net>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 8:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL
8"disc's
On 9/29/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies --
I'll definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know!
Josh
Spoken for..
oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of
the cpm disks..... please.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
Namens Rik Bos
Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL
8"disc's
Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's
About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I
format the
discs...
-Rik
steve
On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steveshumaker wrote:
> On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote:
>> Spoken for..
>>
>>> -----Oorspronkelijkbericht-----
>>> Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at
classiccmp.org]
>>> Namens Rik Bos
>>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00
>>> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>>> Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft
COBOL
>>> 8"disc's
>>>
>>> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL
8"disc's
>>>
>>> About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format
the
>>> discs...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rik
>>
>
>
> oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of the
cpm
disks.....
please....
I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies -- I'll
definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know!
Josh
steve
Free for the c> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft
COBOL
8"disc's
About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the
discs...
-Rik
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:59:22 +1000
From: Huw Davies <huw.davies at mail.vsm.com.au>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for
ideas
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On 30/09/2011, at 12:05 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
This is trivially easy with a Unix type operating
system. Put the SCSI
drive on, "dd if=/dev/sd0 of=diskimage.dsk".
And if you want to stick with OpenVMS, BACKUP/PHYSICAL is your friend. Or
use LDDRIVER of course.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:31:59 +0100
From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Algol 68C For PDP-10
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Many moons ago I taught myself Algol 68 using ALGOL 68C on a DECSYSTEM-20. I
would love to find a copy of this to install on SIMH if at all possible.
I have a vague recollection that it may have been on a DECUS tape, so I am
wondering if anyone has any such thing in their archives?
Many thanks
Rob
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:43:24 +0200 (CEST)
From: Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Adrian Stoness wrote:
wow kool
adrino funny been seen that stuff allot latly speacialy at my local hacker
space infact never herd of their gear till i joined the hackerspace haha
I'd be ashamed if I produced such garbage in my mother tongue...
And I don't even know what you wanted to say, I just can't "parse" it.
Whatever I try, I constanly get a SYNTAX ERROR ;-)
Christian
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