On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, William Maddox wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, dwight elvey wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, Josh Dersch wrote:
My PDP-8/L arrived this afternoon (in one piece
and without any
damage) and I'll be going over it and cleaning it up over the next few
days. Looks like it won't take much more than elbow grease to make
most of it look nice again,but there's a big piece of masking tape
stuck right above the switches. Age has more or less permanently
affixed this to the front panel -- any recommendations as to how to
remove this without damaging the front panel?
I use googone. Do test it on a location that doesn't show first. It
slowly cuts plastic but I've found it is useful to remove old oxidized
surfaces and polish it. It uses orange oil and acetone as far as I
know.
I believe the GooGone uses acetone. ?Be very careful of using acetone
around plexiglas (perspex). I believe it will dissolve the plastic
quite?easily (though I may be thinking of MEK).
I can't speak from experience with respect to masking tape, but I
removed a large area of sticky residue (likely left by some sort of tape
or adhesive overlay) from a PDP/8 front panel simply by rolling it up
mechanically with my fingers. ?It was tedious, and I got a few blisters
from doing it, however. ? Little specks remaining can be cleaned up by
dabbing with the adhesive side of cellophane packing tape.
The paint on the 8/E front panel (at least the one I was working with --
don't assume they are all the same!) is somewhat soluble in IPA, but
applied very sparingly, it cleaned up the panel nicely and removed some
dullness without apparent damage, though doubtless taking off a bit of
paint on the surface. ? If you do this, however, be *very* careful, as
the black paint on the back is highly soluble, to the extent that you
can feel the tackiness with your fingers if slightly moist with IPA.
BTW, the PDP8 panels are covered with a urethane (?) clear-coat layer
that absorbs water and takes on a milky cast. I suspect there is no harm
in dusting a panel with a slighly damp cloth, but scrubbing the panel
with soap and water (or, heaven forfend, soaking it) is not a good idea,
despite the fact that water and mild soap are so frequently recommended
as the safest way to clean plastics. ? For this reason I used
*anhydrous* (technical grade) IPA for the cleaning exercise mentioned
above, and would recommend steering clear of the drugstore stuff, which
is anywhere from 10% to 30% water.
None of the Goo Gone products that I'm aware of contain acetone. There are
a lot of different products under the Goo Gone brand but the one I use is
the original "citrus formula".
http://googone.com/c.983960/site/gg/MSDS/GZ92-Goo_Gone_Pro_Power.pdf
http://googone.com/GooGone-MSDS
According to the MSDS, it contains:
Ingredients Percent CAS #
Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light < 95 64742-47-8
Tripropylene glycol methyl ether 1 ? 10 25498-49-1
Citrus extracts blend 1 ? 10 94266-47-4 / 8028-48-6
64742-47-8 - low odor paraffinic solvent (dearomatized kerosine)
25498-49-1 - methyl ethoxy propanol [organic solvent]
94266-47-4 - orange terpenes (orange oil)
8028-48-6 - orange terpenes (orange oil)
One of the main ingredients in WD-40 just so happens to be dearomatized
kerosine, CAS # 64742-47-8.
http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
I find isopropyl alcohol (2-propanol) plus a lot of scrubbing with a rag
to work better for dissolving stubborn dried tape and sticker adhesive on
plastic and some painted surfaces, but 'Goo Gone' (or WD-40) work well
when the adhesive is still sticky and active. You still have to remove any
residue from either Goo Gone or WD-40 with something like isopropyl
alcohol too.
If the paint on a PDP-8 is soluble with isopropyl, my normal technique for
dried adhesive removal wouldn't be well advised at all though.