26 Apr
2001
26 Apr
'01
5:25 p.m.
"Claude.W" wrote:
Free stuff and trades are fine. I do both. But I also want to be able to sell.
Why is that taboo?
Well, my two cents...
I think advertising items on ebay or any other auction site is kinda really
not in it's place here.
Why? Spamming NGs seems more reprehensible. I'm talking vintage computer items.
If someone lists crap, then blast them. If it's the real deal, then let it pass.
Any
guarantee? No! But this is a free net. I'd rather blast someone for what they
posted
rather than prevent them to post in the first place. Uninteresting posted items
will be naturally
trimmed this way. This is savvy group that wouldn't tolerate crap.
I'd love to see the day that someone gets blasted for posting crap, to only then
see
it go for 4 times the orginally expected price. And I hope that YOU are the
first
to post that sort of item!
Ebay or any other auction site does not "equate" (can I say that?...I am
french) with the "true-spirit" of collecting classic computers IMO...It has
Bull! Value always equates to money. That doesn't mean the spirit of collecting
need always cashed in. But if it were it be valauble, then if it were to cashed
in, it
should and would demonstrate the actual value.
I'm a lefty that believes in the capitalistic principles. Free market is like
gravity.
To actaully demonstrate weight (value) there must be the ability of free fall.
Do you honestly think people will "donate" computer equipment in a fair,
equitable
manner worthy of true collectors, historians and preservationists? That is a
perfect
world. That is not this world. I strive for your ideal, but realize what a
market is.
I do not succumb to it, rather I embrace it!
The sale of one great gem opens the door for the purchase of another; as I do
not
have the means to own it all. I transfer wealth in a manner of parley. Why
shouldn't
I?
not helped a lot the collecting hobby IMO and has
driven the price of a lot
of stuff to ridiculous levels...like .com stocks...that I owned a few
of...and that are worth a lot less now...but thats another story...
You risked. Hopefully you are young. Do not hate capitalism because you invested
badly once. You must stay the course for the long term. The main reason is that
in
the long term capitalism is the best system.
I always taught classiccmp was for "true" collectors...not resellers...now
whats a "true" collector is different for everyone, but think of why you do
this for a minute and how much classic computers you have sold compared to
how many you have traded, given away, restored or "played with" recently and
you can figure out why you do this...
I love seeing the right system go to the right owner. I will not deny a wealthy
person
their right. You seem to want to do so. They may lack the savvy of an owner that
would better handle a key item, true. But that sort of incident does not
discredit
forsale-to-the-highest-bidder outright. All sellers have the right of discretion
to whom
they sell to. The highest bidder need not be the bottom line to the seller. EBay
maybe, but
their are other ways to sell. And they too should be welcome on this board, IMO.
Free to good home... (works well, just check out the home)
From what I understand, the stuff offered here
should be giveaways or
trades....stuff I have done in the past and stuff that
should be happenning
more here...unless most of the people here are in this to make money?
As for stuff being RARE on ebay, almost everything is RARE on ebay from the
point of view of the seller from what I can see...
I don't know how this sounds but : When I am at the point of going through
all the hassles of packing and shipping and ebaying to make $5-$10, Ill
question myself about my financial situation and ebaying will not be my
first taught for changing that...but thats just me...
There are times I don't make squat on EBay. I get satisfaction and usually
a positive feedback because I got something for someone that wanted what
I had more than me! No other reason! I don't make a killing or anything close to
a living off of Ebay. I like having someone get what I have at a price we are
both
happy with. What can be wrong about that!?
All classic computer items are unique or at least very limited edition. I would
agree
that not a single repost of the same item should be allowed on the board.
Classic
computer equipment does not lend itself to be spammed. Each sale is a one time
arrangement. A PDP-11 memory board should allowed to be mentioned here as
I can't imagine an endless supply of the exists.
In summary, the spirit of classic computer collection should continue to have a
donation and trading aspect, but on the same token, trading equipment for money
is
not taboo and should be tolerated on this board. At least the freedom to do so
should be. Let the board decide what is valid and what is not.
Eric
Eric
Claude
Canuk Computer Collector
http://computer_collector.tripod.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Amiga items on eBay
list.
John
Foust wrote:
Pardon the auction announcement...
I did this and got blasted for it. I don't think FA (for auction) posts
are that bad, escpecially on classic cmp
for classic cmp related material.
But what I am asking is the offical rule-of-thumb on this for this mail
list. Anyone like to clarify?
Eric
Rules, we have no rules, only complaints. ;)
People on this list do what they want, those that don't like it complain,
but we have no police, and I don't think anybody has ever been booted off.
That said, if you want to offer something to the list, offer it to the
Trying to get a few more bidders on your ebay auction is typically seen as
merchantile, not friendly, activity.
Regardless of the above I say if its stuff people on the list will want,
post it, but be a man about the criticism, because YES you are doing it
for
> the money, not the pure pursuit of junk collecting.
>
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