On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 07:27, vrs wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:10:36AM -0800, vrs
wrote:
> > At 11*2=22 boards/device, you are even
> > talking quantities that make sense to send out to a board fabricator.
It looks about a buck cheaper for small quantities of
single sided.
Checking online, it looks like $13.21 vs $14.46 for 1 week delivery. 5
weeks is $9.40 each for the two-sided boards, all qty 30.
30 bare-bones one-sided cards can be had in 5 weeks for $7.81 each, no
solder mask or silk-screen.
30 bare-bones two-sided cards can be had in 5 weeks for $8.62 each, no
solder mask or silk-screen.
That's just one vendor, of course, but it is the one with the steepest
quantity discount I know. Those boards are around $4 each qty 100, and
$2.50 each, qty 500 :-). As the quantity goes up, the difference in price
also goes down. If you are using 20-odd per device, it might be possible to
use 100 :-).
Since I need something like 44 cables (8/i, DM01, TC01, FPP12, DF32)
100 isn't really too many. Now all I have to do is find the coax ribbon
cable...
Of course, single sided cards are not as generic, so you might as well make
them W011 clones and use narrower headers and ribbon, for additional cost
savings :-).
> BTW: Any market for DF32 emulators out
there? I like mine, but I
wondered
if there
was demand to get more made?
I'd love one, but I might have to convert my negibus -8/i to posibus to
use it. I suppose I could throw one on my 12K 8/L. I've always wanted
to have disk on it. How much harder would it be to make an RF08
emulator? :-)
I don't think it would be too hard, but then I didn't do the design work on
the DF32 emulation :-). Basically, it is like some of the talk on another
thread -- an NVRAM chip, some counters and gates for data break, and a bus
interface card that collects up all the Posibus signals. It emulates all 8
possible drives (and exports write-protect switches for each one :-)). Last
I heard, there was a diagnostic function unimplemented that keeps it from
being 100% software compatible. I should recheck the RevB schematic to see
if that has been addressed yet. Replaces a whole rack with a 1U device :-).
I just have to get my 8L working well enough to use it :-).
It also occurred to me that one could turn the generic boards into M904/W011
clones by using the pads for the second header to install the ground jumpers
needed. That would give a very clean look, but would also use more paddle
cards than ribbon cable daisy chaining.
Vince
--
TTFN - Guy