I can't say I have ever heard of Valtrep before and my attempts at searching
the web do not reveal any definitive information. What definitive
information do you have on Valtrep to say that it predates FORTRAN? FORTRAN
dates back to the 1950s.
Regards
Rob
PS I think personal attacks have no place on this list. If someone has
misinterpreted what you say, then explain what you meant, because it is
always possible that you might not have been clear the first time.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at
classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at
classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Gahlinger
Sent: 07 May 2010 21:53
To: cctalk at
classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
If you actually READ the email instead of making immature remarks,
maybe you'd learn something.
I didn't say apple contracted with Valtrep for their Lisa FORTRAN or
even implied anything like that. (that would be quite impossible).
Don't make stupid comments especially if you don't read the mssage.
You say my 1980s experiences with Valtrep were long after Fortran was
well established and into the decline?
Say it isn't so batman! what is this alternate universe we live in!?
oh, and your comment that Valtrep had some nice improvements on the
original creation of Fortran is just plain stupid.
Valtrep is the PREDECESSOR to Fortran, or didn't you read my message so
you could understand that. Guess not.
Fortran may have been in heavy use since the 1960s (actually it's
probably more like the mid to late 70s, but whatever),
but Valtrep was actually developed and used long before that.
Just because some company was still using Valtrep in the 1980s doesn't
make it newer you know.
Many companies use products and technologies that haven't been
developed or wide use in decades...
I have no idea who this "transnet" guy is, maybe you can ask him, maybe
he'll be nicer than I am.
In any case, the predecessor to Fortran was Valtrep. Not all such
technology has survived.
Someone months ago on this list talked about reviving a Cyber/Prime,
but we never did hear about the result if it ever got finished...
Dan.
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:10:00 -0700
From: cisin at
xenosoft.com
To: cctalk at
classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
On Fri, 7 May 2010, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
Actually, Fortran came from Valtrep
WOW!
Are you saying that Apple contracted with Valtrep for their Lisa
FORTRAN?
Or are you saying that the earliest versions of FORTRAN were based on
Valtrep? If so, you should be aware that FORTRAN was in heavy active
use
in the 1960s, rather long before your 1980s
experiences with Valtrep.
NO. Valtrep may have made some nice improvements, but they were
never
part of the original creation of FORTRAN.
> I used to code on some old Sentry-70 systems in Valtrep back in the
80s
yes, this
was after fortran was already quite established.
Yes, RATHER.
FORTRAN was well on to its DECLINE in usage by then.
> it's very like fortran - if you can write fortran, you can do
valtrep.
> Interestingly perhaps, googling for valtrep
is quite useless it
seems...
Oh, I don't know, that guy "transnet" has some interesting ideas :-)
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