7 Nov
2012
7 Nov
'12
6:35 a.m.
I am going to show my ignorance here, but would a M0437 be of any use? I
have 2 of them...
See here for pic and description http://www.welovemacs.com/m0437.html
Cindy Croxton
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On Behalf Of Schindler Patrik
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:57 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Networking a Macintosh SE/30
Am 06.11.2012 um 22:20 schrieb Liam Proven:
Thanks! I started to be worried...
Ah-ha! :-)
Depends. :-) I'm trying to get as many machines as possible from ethernet to
my Token Ring. :-) Best thing I got recently was a network card for my
APC-UPS. Token Ring! :-D
Thanks! All of this wasn't built in a day but over years. Yes, it was an
effort. But it works when I need it and I can impress people :-)
Everyone has a focus on his own usage. :-)
Thanks. Like it pleases you to see your old Macs on the web, it pleases me
to actually use the machines for something. Usage is not so heavy like when
the particular boxes were my only one but they have usage.
On my LC runs Sys 6. I need to make space, so I can tinker with the source
of IRCle. I miss a few features. ;-) Unfortunately, compilation is not
possible with the most recent version of THINK Pascal. I suspict a compiler
bug. When compiling, TP stops complaining about the type of a parameter
given to SFGetFile(). With TP 2 under Sys 6, it works. Same source files.
:wq! PoC
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first, please
apoplogize. I didn't and don't want to offend! It's
just the way I feel from years of practice.
Oh no, not at all. I am enjoying the debate! But I started out on Macs in the very late days of
System 6 & moved to
System 7 within months.
I started my use of Macs in 1988, a Mac II with a 1-bit Viking Moniterm TTL
19", 1024x768 display with anti-glare. 2MB RAM, System 6.0.3. (Helping my
dad run a new company.) Comparing to what I've seen in classmates' homes,
this was heaven on earth! So, I'm very used to System 6. :-) Anyone remember
the backup program shipped with 6.0.3? I once had to make a full restore and
this damned thing had no idea of the folder structure. I put all files just
onto the plain disk!
Later, when I had money for an used SE/30 in 1992, I tried to stay with
6.0.7 but System 7 had many advantages for me also. Try to move a file from
a window behind the destination window into this destination window in Sys 6
and Sys 7. With Sys 6, the source window will rise, possibly cover the
destination window and you're doomed to put the file back and shuffle
windows first. With Sys 7, the source window stays behind, won't cover the
destination window and you can easily move the file. That's important when
working on a 512x384-pixel screen. When running programs in the background
(actually doing something), everything feels a lot smoother in Sys 7 than
with Sys 6.
And, copying files, emptying the trash in the background! And a lot more.
One the downside, screen redraws felt a low slower than with Sys 6.
I am used to a clock in the menu bar
SuperClock! My Choice for Sys 6 and 7!
a hierarchical Apple menu, a modular control panel, a
screen-saver,
things like that. It is perfectly possible to add all this to Sys6
with some INITs and CDEVs - although it was tricky to find them when I
did it, and that was 5-6y ago now.
I agree.
I must admit, I don't use any Macs slower than
that. I have an LC2 but
I mean just to fix it up & try to sell it. 68030 is as low as I want
to go these days, I think. :)
I'm very happy with my IIfx, running Sys 7.1. :-) Okay, this is a bad
example, since it's the fastest 030 from Apple.
Certainly, I would run the lowest system version that
did what I
needed if I was on a 68000, so I agree with you there.
Thanks :-)
Maybe it's
reasonably quick when it's running but booting is
painfully slow on low end machines. Especially *with* extensions to
provide a "pleasant and productive environment". ;-)
I didn't find it so, actually. The Classic II maxes out at 10MB of
RAM; 7.6.1 recommends a minimum of 12MB. I did not expect it to work.
It did, very well.
Then I turned off virtual memory and added RAMdoubler. ;?) I think our attitudes differ on this.
Yes, I absolutely agree.
If if comes
down to machines not equipped with Ethernet or Token
Ring, there's no other choice than running AppleTalk over LocalTalk.
One may use MacTCP or Open Transport to encap IP into AppleTalk
packets, so still IP is possible (with a maximum MTU of 576 Bytes).
Aha! I use an Asant? EtherSCSI. If I can't have Ethernet and TCP/IP, I
regard it as not being networked, these days. I have a
LaserJet 5100, equipped with a Token Ring network card.
How can I
print from my IIfx on this? HP Token Ring equipment doesn't talk
AppleTalk.
I'm printing into a Netware queue via AppleTalk. From there, the
pserver.nlm takes the job and feeds it to the printer via IPX.
Cunning!
But probably more work than I would go to, I fear. You see, the
extent of "you need TCP/IP" statement depends heavily on
usage scenarios.
Well, true. I was thinking only of my own use, I confess. Me either. So
we're basically talkin' 'bout the same. Let alone, the
way of usage seems to be different. Example: On my IIfx, I'm running
Ircle, for chatting on an internal IRC-Network with a lot of friends.
I'm running telnet to tail -f the system log of my linux box. I'm
running MacX to see what XLoad tells about the usage of my Linux box.
I'm running Newswatcher to read and answer interesting discussions in
Mac centric usenet groups. I'm running Peter Lewis' talk(d)
applications for copypasting Web-URLs from and to IRC or news
articles, to watch on the G5. This is a very IP- centric usage.
Definitely, yes. But probably more work than I would bother to do. I
am very impressed, though!