17 Feb
2003
17 Feb
'03
4:56 a.m.
So is the list now to to have 2 categories of Spam ? One
is acceptable if it is cunningly worded and from industry
insiders and the other from ordinary spammers is not.
It's easy for the modulator to recognise the obvious, the
african spam that is really Scam, the Penis enlargers and
such. If industry spam is to be accepted where can we
draw the line. I frankly am enraged and offended with the
intrusive pop-ups demanding that I download some
"necessary" program in order to view some web-page,
no matter how enhancing it may be.
By the same token I regularly get Spam from IT vendors
of repute, and occasionally even don't delete them in
disgust and I always disclaim sites or companies that
want to put me on their mailing list.
Comparing Sellam's or M. Nadeau's notices, or FA Epay
alerts and pointers to a product a list member requests,
to discounters or "friendly" industry Spam is a straw man.
One man's Spam is anothers "info package"
The message was obviously a shill. No question.
If business seekers or headhunters see fit to send out
Spam lures, let them do it individually, not on the list.
On the other hand, the other "no subject" message, from
analog and digital solutions, while tasteless, was
allowable, IMHO.
Do we also want to open the doors to chip vendors who
want to dismantle a working vintage machine in order to
feed some chip collectors fetish?
While my response may be considered "snide" by some
it was well within the boundaries of acceptable language
and couched in the same reasonable tone as the poster.
And the word "legacy" as used by most of the large
computer companies usually means on "the soon to be
no longer supported, but still too popular to drop without
tarnishing marketing image" list
Lawrence
On 16 Feb 2003, , Don Maslin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Jay West wrote:
I think that your judgement was sound in this case and
worthy of our reliance on it in the future.
- don
lgwalker@ mts.net
Please
don't. Yes, please remove off-topic SPAM, but
adverts related to classic computers, commercial or not,
should be allowed here provided the same advert doesn't
start appearing too often.
My initial reaction was actually fairly difficult for me,
as I know and like several of the people at Arraid.
On the one hand, it's obviously on-topic as it lets others
here know that there are modern drive replacements for
systems we all would like to keep running. On the other
hand, their products are generally well outside the price
range of the home hobbyist, so not sure how much it helps
us. Thus, my impression is that the post wasn't targeted
at the listmembers, but rather at sales prospects the
listmembers may know. Tony asked how this post was
different than Bob Shannon's post about his drive
replacement. Very simple - Bob wasn't posting here asking
us to give the names of companies we know and have trusted
relationships with, so he could call them and hard sell
them his product. I'm NOT saying Bob would hard sell, or
even that Arraid would hard sell (doubtful). But what
about other companies posting here who may do so?
So, if on-topic SPAM is allowed here as Tony requests
above... guess we allow posting by crisis, and MBG, and
keyways, and imsai.net, oh, and all the scrap dealers...
but it's ok as long as it doesn't appear too often. Ok,
let me start a spreadsheet, so I can track how often each
company posts. I'll have to trace each email address on an
advert, so I can tell if they're trying to post from
another address. Oh, and I'll also have to call references
on each company, so I know if they have a history of
hardselling any references we give them... Ummm wait... I
do have a day job.
All sarcasm aside... If the membership at large wants to
allow on-topic adverts, that's fine. But don't make it
hard on ME to moderate in the future - for one example out
of many - I suspect Tony's definition of "too often" (wrt
adverts appearing) is different from Sellams, which is
different from Jerome's, etc.
Jay