29 Mar
2010
29 Mar
'10
11:33 p.m.
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------Original Message------
From: Tony Duell
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To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Servo tracks on SMD disk
Sent: 29 Mar 2010 19:14
I assuem it has worked since the crash. Could the heads have been damaged
by the crash?
OK. I was just making sureI knew where the problem area was.
OK... Alas I suspect this is not going to be a quick fix.
Hi Tony,
I am sure Pentina is a cat. And he certainly males many different noises...
Based on my experiences with Pentina, I don't
believe a cat makes a
unique sound...
You're speaking of the individuality of a DOG! A cat makes
miau! :-)
Anyway, I assume you know it's not headcrashing (which can make a noise
like a very angry cat). I think you'd know if that was the case...
No crash.
But I have to admit that I got the drive crashed a few years
ago. After cleaning and using another pack it worked. I had 3 packs for it. At some point in history I got a bunch of packs. They
were used with a
somewhat dubious Nova clone system (DDC or DCC). They never really
worked fine.
A few months ago now the drive completely broke down: After having
successfully used the machine for several hours and pausing for another
few weeks, I ran into disaster: A mechanical buffer at the back of the
head slide had changed to a sticky liquid and blocked the whole
mechanism. That resulted in the heads staying on disk while the drive
did an urgency spindown.
Hang on.. Are you saing the heads landed on the disk? And that the drive
hasn't worked properly since that? I really wonder if the heads have been
damaged.
I disassembled the whole thing and cleaned away the
mess as good as
possible. I did not touch the head alignment. The heads stayed bolted to
their slide and were taken aside as a whole block. I also took care for
the heads not getting in contact.
This week I reassembled the drive and tried it out. The cartridge that
was in the drive during the disaster was far gone and runs with
"pre-crash" noise.
I realized that I had only the dubious packs. Some of them as I found
out yesterday can be formatted by the Emulex SC02 controller's low level
format routine, some stop shortly before the end (as I explained
before). When I then try to use them, I can run "INIT/BADBLOCKS" under
RT11 which says no bad blocks. Then when copying data in, I get write
errors and bad blocks. Number increases. They stay and are in the system
area most of the time. So I cannot use the packs :-(
The whole procedure can be repeated using the low-level formatting
routine and then RT11 INIT.
OK... The formatting routine must move the heads across the disk surface,
and it will read (but not write) the servo surface. Can you 'scope the
output of the srrvo preamplifier while it's doing this? See if the signal
changes in amplitude or whatever.
That leads to the idea that there's something wrong about the data as well.
But there are differences. I don't think there's any oil-filled damper on
the Phoenix.
This sounds somewhat similar in concept to the
CDC 'Phoenix' drive.
There's a separate servo surface for the remvoable pack (one servo, one
data), and the 3 fixed disks (1 servo, 5 data surfaces).
Exactly.
What do you mean by 'outer' tracks? Normally, I would take that to mean
ones closest to the edge of the disk, but it appears you mean ones neares
the spindle.
Sorry, meant "inner", of course! I was tiredly writing in
foreign English... Do you have schematics and a 'scope?
Yes. But... Sorry for saying that: That machine has a very very low
priority in my project queue as it's something from the 80s. I currently have enough older stuff to repair (RK05s, TU56s,
PDP8/I, PDP8/Ls,
Honeywell DDP-516 and H316 reconfiguration and testing, etc.). I just
wanted to get it either working and back in the rack or out of the
window (i.e. give it to someone else, NOT trashing it!).
Sent using BlackBerry? from Orange
What about any velocity
feedback signal?
Speed might be worth a thought:
- If running too slow, servo and d