29 Mar
1999
29 Mar
'99
7:47 a.m.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
All my Xeroxes are in the museum collection now, although I still have
one set up at home. Absolutely my favourite CP/M machine, the QX-10
notwithstanding. I might be able to find dos 1.25, but it would take
awile. C: is a ramdisk. Don must have it at his fingertips. We're in
No, regrettably, I do not have anything for it but 2.0. I do have some
earlier versions of DOS for PCs, but do not know whether they would
function on the 16/8.
- don
the middle of renovations and it's impossible to
find anything.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
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Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
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see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than
64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
At least 3 word processing packages were
avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> Merle,
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> >MS-DOS.
>
> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> got in this load.
>
> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>
> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>
> One problem is that
> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> >machine.
>
> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> 820-II have?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Joe
>
> >
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> >
> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old
XEROX computers less than a year
ago. :-(
> >> He gave me part of the stuff that
he had left, I have to take a Truck
> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
>>
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
>> worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
>>
>> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>
>M. K. Peirce
>Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
>215 Shady Lea Road,
>North Kingstown, RI 02852
>
>"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
>
> - Ovid
>
>
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid