early desktop TCP/IP implementations (was Re: "first" computer on the internet)

Ethan Dicks wrote: You could add TCP/IP to WFW. But as I recall (dimly) MacTCP beat WFW on the pc to the Internet. mmm. it's coming back to me. The pc based tcp/ip work done at MIT. That was the first tcp/ip on a pc I think (unless you count a lisp machine as a PC, which I would, since it was a 32 bit single user machine with a graphics display and keyboard :-) The pc/tcp code was ported to the Macintosh (at Dartmouth I think) for use with the early gateways like the fastpath (and before that the gateway based on the old SUN - as in Stanford - boards). So, I guess the old pc/tcp code from MIT was first. That has telnet, ftp and basic mail as I recall. Then the ports to the macintosh. This was in the "ethernet is the thick yellow cable" era, around 1986. Well before 1995. I remember using telnet on a mac to our various vaxen in 1986. I had to add a bunch of appletalk routing code to the fastpath to get it to work. But telnet was faster than serial and way more fun. I don't think that is correct. Unless you're claiming that MacTCP was not "built in", which you could claim, but John Veizades would probably have something to say about that. It was certainly available long before 1995. The ip-over-appletalk working group inside the IETF was very active in the late '80s. -brad