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Subject: Re: great abandonware for your classic PC
On 3/16/2010 9:20 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
There is NO abandonware anywhere on that site.
EVERYTHING there is
illegal copies for piracy.
Undeniably.
Abandonware is one of the most horrible terms I had the unfortunate
history of helping coin. I was part of the original movement and
lobbied very heavily to call "software no longer made available in any
form by the publisher" by the term "oldwarez". Unfortunately I lost,
and the horrid term "abandonware" was chosen.
I'm not going to get into a discussion about pirating software with
those who do it for a living. We pirate software every time we get our
old computers running (ie. you didn't really pay for that 30-yr-old
operating system, did you?) so such a discussion would be hypocritical.
Yes, we did pay - or at least in kind.
I spent months negotiating with a certain large corporation for rights to run their
software, even thought it would have been trivial for me to simply install it from vintage
media (that I possessed). The software in question is certainly obsolete, but there is no
question that they own the rights to it. In other cases, it's hard to figure out who
owns the rights - we're currently working with some folks on just such issues. The
degree of difficulty does not justify 'assuming' a faux doctrine such as
'abandonware'.
Yes, I too have worked in roles that made money from intellectual property: software and
music. It's funny how it changes your perspective.
Michael Jackson is still dead, but I read just today about a new business deal being
negotiated about his music. Death is the ultimate abandonment - but the intellectual
property rights live on. Is it 'right' or 'just'? Sorry, I gave up
swallowing camels and straining at gnats years ago. I do know that wishing doesn't
make it so, and wishing away others' IP rights, regardless of coming up with a clever
moniker, is no guarantee that some lawyer somewhere isn't going to put his next child
through college on your tab.
-- Ian