There is
another difference, the 9845C were shipped with colored
functions keys ;-)
What, all different colours, to indicate the colour that the text (or
whatever) will appear on the monitor? The HH Tiger did that.
Exactly. Makes the C look a little bite more colorful.
Thanks,
I'm glad my PSU is still working. I've had enough trouble with
the 9845A PSU, which is only as half as complex, although the functional
When you say 'half as somplex', do you mean it only has one main chopper
circuit, not the 2 that are used in the 9845B Opt 200?
I have never seen a 9845A, but from what I've heard it's very different
to the B or C. To the extent that both processor modules are on one PCB,
and there's a bus switching board alongside it.
Yes and no. The mainboards connectors and the output voltages of the PSU
are the same. Even the mechanical PSU assembly is the same, with the
difference that it doesn't have LED power-good indicators (there's no
built-in voltage testing circuit) but dedicated measure points instead
which can be accessed during operation. The A model PSU is identical to
that of the low-end B-models, as described in the B/C service manual,
with one simple internal power supply, one single chopper or
"pre-regulator", which has a single loop-back from the 5V output for
pwm-style regulation. The output from the chopper is fed into two
separated regulators and from there to one assembly each, one for the
higher voltages, an another for the lower voltages/higher currents.
Protection circuits exist but are not as elaborated as for the newer
PSUs. And be aware of those yellowish noise suppression capacitors, one
of those was in my HP floppy drive and exploded shortly after power-up.
Did not make severe damage, but I've exchanged them all in the PSUs,
just in case.
Another difference towards the low-end B models is indeed the combined
PPU/LPU CPU board, but there are lots of other "enhancements" of the B
model (all boards but the printer circuits and the I/O backplane have
been reengineered). The integrated peripherals and the keyboard have not
changed.
There are 2 expansion slots in the monitor. One is for
the lightpen
controller. THe other is for an arbitrary video expansion board. I have
neither option, so there are no schematics.
The color monitor has just enough space for one additional board, the
light pen controller. Since I don't have the controller board, I
currently don't care much about a light pen, although it would be nice
to see how it works. However I got a working graphics 9111A tablet,
thats ok for now. Even a hopefully working 8"-floppy. So data transfer
would be (theoretically) possible as well. When I get one of those
&#$?*-9845 working.
home-brew
startup fixure? I guess the only signals which are really
important are the NP and the NL signals. The first resets the address
registers of the alpha circuit and grabs the fist word from the crt
buffer in block 1, the other probably initiates another PPU bus
arbitration for grabbing one complete line of text from the crt buffer
in block 1. Maybe in absence of a crt the alpha circuit makes some kind
of continuous bus capture and the whole system hangs. And maybe the
mainframe can run even without crt when NP and NL are both pulled up to
logical 1. Two resistors would then be enough.
Another probably important signal is the HALT-signal, from which the PPU
knows it's the PPU and not the LPU, and which is generated by the alpha
circuit but probably triggered by the NP signal.
First problem (for you, at least). I drew all this out long before seeing
an HP manual, so I didn't use the HP names. And several of the signals
disappear into the PPU hybrid so it's almost impossible to work out what
they actually do there. I have now seen the HP boardwapper guide for the
monitor, but I couldn't easily work out the translation between my names
and HP's.
In case I get a copy of the schematics, I will try to help. Actually,
first of all, I'll try to build up a fixture replacement, the
appropriate signal lines should not be too hard to identify. Then see
what happens. By the way, if the HP guys were clever, they have placed
checksums into the ROMs, thats another thing which I'm going to verify.
Today I had a look at HPs website, if you like, try
http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main, say "9845B" at "by model
number or name", than hit the search button, click on "DESKTOP COMPUTER"
and then select a part list for all parts...
-- Ansgar