Hi Ethan:
I use the 7660 all the time -- it needs two 100uF caps -- works
great! Can't draw a lot of current, but if the spec fits it is a great
solution.
There is a bit of switching noise (at about the switching freq of 5 to 10
KHz, IIRC), but it is usually not a problem.
There is some loss, which goes up as you load the device; ie: if you
drive it from +5.0V and load it lightly, you will get close to -5.0V, but
as you draw more current it will drop down to almost -4.0V. You can
compensate for this by driving it with about +6V instead (eg: a 78L05 with
a diode or two stuck in the ground lead).
Another was to go is to use a real switcher like an LM2674M-5.0, but
configured for -5 instead of +5 -- I use this chip all the time too for
both pos and neg 5V -- very efficient. Drive from unreg volage (eg: +12 to
+20 or so); you also need a 100uH inductor, a schottky diode, and a few
caps. Pricier, but can efficiently source up to an amp.
gil smith
Who is still looking for a Cromemco SCC board, BTW folks.
At 02:05 AM 7/2/2008, you wrote:
Hi, all,
I'm in the middle of getting two bare PET boards working, one static, one
dynamic. I don't have great honking transformers lying around, so the
easiest way to power them is going to be a bench-top DC supply. One thing
that makes this a little easier is that I don't need to worry about cassette
motor power in this configuration - no tape drives and no tapes.
The static PET is easy - it has a few TO-220 7805s on it (which were removed
to get the very tall heat sinks off for easier packing and shipping). I
am not even sure I need +12VDC for that one - I don't think I do - just +5VDC
at a few amps (also made easier because it came with no ROMs and no SRAMs,
so I'm using one of Nicholas Welte's ROM/RAM boards that sits in the CPU
socket).
The dynamic PET, since it has soldered-in DRAMs, is a bit more complicated.
Unless I care to remove the DRAM and fit another ROM/RAM board for the SRAM
or adapt a 62256 in some other way, I need +12V and -5V for Vdd and Vbb on
the 4116 chips. My question (after all this background info) is... does
anyone have enough knowledge of the ICL7660 chip to give an opinion on how
well it would work for supplying -5VDC? Looking at datasheets, the max
draw I can find on Intel uP416s is 200uA @ -5VDC (along with all its other
needs). It looks like the ICL7660 will provide up to 10mA @ -5VDC, but at
some higher amount of inefficiency than at lower draws. 16x0.200 is 3.2mA,
well under the max draw of the ICL7660, so I think I'm OK, but I wanted to
ask other folks about this in case I'm overlooking some important detail.
I do have a real C= keyboard that made it before the last plane, and I
plan to build either a 74LS86 or 4066-based video adapter to drive a
standard monochrome security monitor (that I saved from being discarded
two years ago), so keyboard and video are taken care of (plus I have a
"C=Key" board that I probably have time to assemble to try using a
modern keyboard with). For a base PET, besides video and keyboard, the
only other issue is power, thus my question.
If the DRAM were socketed, I'd probably just pull it and use a 62256
in the ROM/RAM board and be done with it, but it might just be easier
to feed this board +5V and +12V and synthesize the -5V, unless it
turns out that I have a bad DRAM chip - then it's time to yank them
like a bad tooth (though I _think_ I know where I can find a few 4116
chips on a shelf here if it comes down to just one or two chips). If
I were home, it would be easy - I'd pull out a board from one of my PETs,
drop these boards in there at least for testing, then see about mounting
them in a box of some sort. Now, at least, the only C= stuff I have are
these boards and a few loose parts (like 65C02s and 65C22s).
One memory that's filtering up to the surface is that ISTR some
order-of-DC-powerup requirement for 4116s, like don't apply -5V
first or remove it last or some such. I plan to power the ICL7660
off of the +5V rail, but if there is a very specific order that
really matters, I might consider running it off the +12V rail
(with a 78L05 in-between) instead.
Thanks for any input or observations on the ICL7660 and/or 4116s.
-ethan
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