28 Apr
2016
28 Apr
'16
7:52 a.m.
On 2016-04-28 10:44, Liam Proven wrote:
OK, a very fair point. Linux was indeed popular and widely-used in the
FOSS world, and among Unix types.
But it still took many years for Canonical's Bug #0 to be closed.
I'd argue 2 things helped achieve that.
First, Ubuntu made Debian usable by mortals. I ran SuSE before Warty
Warthog, but I wasn't that happy with it. It was merely the
least-worst option since Caldera self-immolated.
Ubuntu achieved its goal, which, reading between the lines, was
basically "a Linux distro simple enough that the average Windows power
user will be able to install it and get useful work done using it,
without extras or tweaking".
AIUI Ubuntu today is a bit over half of Linux desktop usage, as best
as anyone can estimate this. I suspect that means that actually,
Ubuntu has (probably quite a lot more than) doubled desktop Linux
usage, and it's forced all the other distros to up their game.
(Actually it's forced a lot of them out of the game, which is sad, but
probably inevitable.)
I also gather that it is now strongly dominant in cloud/VM deployments.
Secondly, Android. Android is probably something like 99% of
non-server/embedded Linux usage. In terms of Linuxes that ordinary
people actually directly interact with -- excluding washing machines,
ATMs, whatever -- Android is, I strongly suspect, *it* and everything
else is a rounding error.
Indeed, but more end users help drive demand for better software.
Eventually someone will get frustrated a build a better tool or improve
and existing one.
On 28 April 2016 at 16:35, Mouse <mouse at
rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
Indeed. Ask any junk-food chain.
The depressing (to me) part is that there seems to be a place for
decent-quality restaurants in the same restaurant-food ecosystem that
contains junk-food chains...but there doesn't seem to be the analog in
the computer operating system ecosystem.
Absolutely! This is *the* key question, really.
We get closer to that analog as time passes. The more Linux becomes the
next Windows, the more people jump ship (mostly to FreeBSD). Gentoo
Linux is my distro of choice simply because i can pick, choose, and
compile everything i want for just about any arch. However, if i could
choose any OS i would probably go with illumos. Unfortunately The man
power needed to maintain the software repo is the biggest challenge when
wanting to go you're own direction. I would say that it's the primary
reason it seems like we're dining in a world of McDonald's and Steak
Houses, but nothing in-between.
But the marketing men got to it and ruined its
security and
elegance, to produce the lipstick-and-high-heels Windows XP. That
version, insecure and flakey with its terrible bodged-in browser,
that, of course, was the one that sold.
???Consistent mediocrity, delivered
on a large scale, is much
more profitable than anything on a small scale, no matter how
efficient it might be.??? > Linux got nowhere until it copied the XP model.
Only for corporate values of "nowhere". Considering it to be a
failure
because it wasn't grabbing "market" share, or because there weren't
large companies involved, is to buy into the problem, defining success
in monetary (or near-monetary) terms.
I don't know what Linus's original vision for Linux was, so I don't
know when (if ever) it was his idea of a success. But I would have
called it a success much earlier, and, indeed, I would be tempted to
say it failed _when_ it "copied the XP model" and "got somewhere",
because that's when it lost the benefits early versions brought. I can't help wondering how many people use
Linux because "Open Source"
but have never once even tried to build anything from source.
Some, certainly.