archiving as opposed to backing up

>> (burning people as heretics if they even mentioned

>> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org >> [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Teo Zenios >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:01 AM >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: Re: archiving as opposed to backing up >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com> >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:11 AM >> Subject: Re: archiving as opposed to backing up >> >> >> > Rumor has it that Teo Zenios may have mentioned these words: >> > >[snip] >> > >...People today have no reason to build >> > >egyptian type pyramids, and we can build them if we >> wanted to with our >> > >present technology. >> > >> > But not with our present labor force. A *lot* of slaves >> were needed to >> > build the pyramids, great wall of China, etc. >> > >> >> The people who built the Pyramids and the Great Wall were >> not slaves, but >> citizens fullfilling their "tax" for the ruling party. If >> we threw the same >> amount of cash as we have dumped into the Iraq war we could >> build the >> specialized equipment needed to create the great pyramids >> and hire the >> smaller labor force needed to complete it, technology isn't >> the problem just >> logistics and money and carefull planning would take care of that. >> >> >> > > The Egyptians did leave alot of records on how they were >> > >built and organised but archeologists are still not 100% sure how >> everything >> > >was done and spend time and effort figuring it out and >> quite a few people >> > >like reading about the finds and new ideas on how things >> were done. Our >> > >computers are going to be the pyramids of the 3000's, >> not needed for >> their >> > >society (in our crude forms)... >> > >> > Says who? If an global EMP pops all of the 486+ machines, >> but the older >> > tech survives, it would be a lot more important for >> people to not have to >> > take an extra 50 years to figure it out again. >> >> A Global EMP would shut down the entire industrial world, >> everything of >> importance is powered buy chips faster then a 486 at some >> critical point in >> the system. Where would you even start rebuilding and would >> it be built the >> same way it was? >> >> > Do I have a historical reference to this? Sure. >> > >> > Over 2000 years ago, the ancient Romans & Greeks *knew* >> the Earth was >> round >> > and orbited the sun. However, it seems all references to >> that knowledge >> was >> > unavailable by the 1st millennium, when people once again >> thought the >> world >> > was flat, and stayed that way for over 500 years. Had >> they access to the >> > Roman and Greek libraries (assuming they existed, but I'd >> bet they kept >> > their written documents somewhere) who knows what tech. >> advances (or wars >> > averted) would have been possible. >> >> The Roman world collapsed because of barbarian invasion and >> the aftermath of >> 100's of years of illiterates running their small chunk of >> land followed by >> religion as government (burning people as heretics if they >> even mentioned >> the world was flat). That is a problem with society and the role of >> religion, not with archives (same church that doesn't >> believe in evolution >> TODAY). >> >> >> > > but a few people will be putting the puzzle >> > >together just to see what we did and why and alot of >> people will be >> > >interested in reading and contemplating the >> archeologists findings. It >> > >doesn't have to be intentional. Some of the most basic >> things we do in >> life >> > >that are so obvious to us and never documented will >> puzzle the hell out >> of >> > >people 1000 years from now. >> > >> > Yea, and if (once again) they think the world is flat & >> the moon is made >> of >> > green cheese, it'll be one hell of a step *backwards* for >> mankind! Why >> > should we relegate our progeny to generations of >> ignorance due to our lack >> > of planning? >> >> Who says its not going to happen anyway, you think after a >> global nuclear >> war or large asteroid explosion (back to the EMP wave you >> were talking >> about) we will start making iPods and PS2's again like nothing ever >> happened? >> >> >> > Laterz, >> > Roger "Merch" Merchberger >> > >> > -- >> > Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers >> > zmerch(a)30below.com >> >>