16 Oct
2008
16 Oct
'08
9:03 a.m.
<snip>
Ok, Jeff, I am wondering what you might be
referring to. I think you
might be thinking of PL/M-86, which I'm not that familiar with.
No, it's definitely PLM80 I am currently using.
Intel, generally, would issue two manuals for PL/M-80 (and ASM-80 as
well). One manual is the PL/M-80 Programming Manual and one is the
ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual. I have in front of me the
"PL/M-80 Programming Manual", no. 9800268B, which is dated 1977, and the
DATA construct is in it. It is used at load time to set initial values
of variables. I believe that this manual applies to several versions of
PL/M-80, including V4 and earlier ones. It is basically a syntax manual.
Well...if you are going to let facts get in the way....
Your actual manual wins out over my rusty brain cells. It is the manual
above, the Programmers Manual, that I lust after.
The one thing that seems to have changed from V3 to V4 is the following
statement:
In V3: DECLARE HELLO DATA ('Hello world.');
in V4: DECLARE HELLO (*) BYTE DATA ('Hello world.');
There are other subtle changes I have found. I discovered these as I was
using older PLM source code for CPM as a programming example, and certain
constructs were being rejected by the V4 compiler.
I could also just be screwing something up. I always reserve the right to
do that...
I have the "ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual", no. 9800300-04,
dated 3/82. It is the manual that was issued specifically for V4.0 of
the compiler. There are several "$" commands listed. All those "$"
commands are also listed in the V3.0/V3.1 version of that manual
(9800300C).
I have this for V3, I figured out the V4 compiler commands by going through
the PLM80 executable. V3 used the $P=1 construct, V4 used the $CODE/$NOCODE
constructs which were a lot clearer. The $P=1 model does not work with the
V4 compiler I have, the one with the overlays.
The Programming Manual did not change from V3.0 to V4.0. The language
was really the same. I programmed a lot in those days and I never had
to change anything moving from V3 to V4.
It would be interesting to look up the DATA syntax above in V3 and V4 and
see what is confusing me.
I think the main changes from 3 to 4 had to do with newer operating
system environments. Newer versions of ISIS-II could have more than the
four or six or seven disk drives by allowing networked drive assignments
up through :F9:. File names could be longer, as well. I think those
were some of the differences from V3.x to V4.0. But the language syntax
was the same.
Can I offer to pay you for a copy of the two manuals you refer to
above?
Jeff Erwin
>> Specifically, I am in need of:
>>
>> 98-00268B plm 80 programming manual, V4
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jeff Erwin
>>
>> By the way, I am running the ISIS-II emulator in a DOS box under
windows,
>
itself an emulator. Windows is running under Parallels on my Mac Pro
>
which
> is running OSx. Is it possible to get
further from reality here??
>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:50:44 -0500
From: wgungfu at uwm.edu
Subject: RE: article ref to 50th birthday of video games
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
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Except both are computer games, not video games, despite the PR move by
some
companies to push them as otherwise. This was already all hashed out in
the
courts.
Marty
Quoting Paul_Koning at Dell.com:
Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is
arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I
find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better
OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.)
This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I
looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines...
Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? eBay is
not forthcoming although they have been mentioned in some old messages on
cctalk.
- Alex
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:02:08 +0200
From: "Stephane Tsacas" <stephane.tsacas at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay")
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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2008/10/16 Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com>
Neat. That predates the PDP-1
"spacewar" game, which I had thought of as
the
oldest. And it may still be the oldest video
game on a digital computer.
paul
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From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:
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On
Behalf Of Brent Hilpert
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:17 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: article ref to 50th birthday of video games
Old news for many here perhaps, but here's a writeup about physicist
William
Higinbotham's creation of
"Tennis-for-two" at Brookhaven Labs in 1958:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/10/15/tech-games.html
Mentions how the initial inspiration came from reading the manual for an
analog
computer and how it could be used for ballistic trajectory calculations.
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:51:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay")
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
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It's a UNIX box, man. The most
(programmer-)friendly OS in
existence. At least for even moderately technical people.
There are
UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf
Unix Hater's Handbook). It's a UNIX box, man. The most
(programmer-)friendly OS in
This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I
looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines...
Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine?
Check :
http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html
Nice CADR emulator, works.
St?phane
(Looking for a Nova switch key).
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>
existence. At least for even moderately technical people.
>
There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf
Unix Hater's Handbook).
Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is
arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I
find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better
OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.)