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Hans wrote... Since you don't see it, let me be crystal clear - there is NO intent to eliminate CCtalk. Period. Never was my intent, nor did I say or intone that it was. It would appear that from what Hans is saying he wants completely unmoderated cctalk, or else. I tend to believe in people, that people can meet in the middle and get along. I would like to believe that if the cctalk people could accept just slightly more moderation than they wish, and cctech people could accept just slightly less moderation than they wish, that maybe there could be a happy medium and people could get along. Hans on the other hand is convinced that people can't get along and the two must be kept separate. That's easy for him to say since he doesn't have to spend the time moderating posts every day (see below). There is an additional issue - the amount of time and effort needed to keep the two lists separate has grown as the list has grown, and now even with 3+ people doing it - it is unfair to ask these people to continue doing so. Not that they have complained, but the fact is that it is not fair for these people to spend so much time when the people posting should take more responsibility for what they post (and others should take more responsibility in just hitting the delete button). When the list was smaller, it was an easier route to go to say "fine, split the lists, we'll just moderate it". Now that the workload for that isn't so easy, it's best to swing the other direction and say "people, get along". And THIS discussion as well has been beat to death so much over the past year or so that the bloody mass is no longer recognizable as a horse. I brought this up for discussion on the list more than once, it was discussed vigorously, and quite simply, I didn't get more than one or two negative responses. I really hope we aren't headed down the path of re-beating this horse again. If so, I should create another list so people can posture and pontificate all over again. Hans, I realize that it is probably very difficult for you to understand or visualize my position since you don't have to get the direct complaint emails from listmembers that I do. But please consider my advice as someone who has been there, done that, and has the battlescars - you can't have a list this large with the exact same charter that the small original list had. It does not work. I've been on the bludgeoning end of that for too long. J