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kth@srv.net
25 May 2005 25 May '05
9:34 p.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
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So tell me then how to read the information from a Quipu. It's a simple device: just a bunch of multi-colored knotted string. If you can figure this out, there's a huge community of archaeologists who study the Incas who would erect a permanent shrine for you to celebrate your name for all eternity.
This is my point. The quipu was apparently their equivalent of our spreadsheet. They were easy for them to use, and easily understood. They aren't even "compressed", "tarred", or "zipped", but still lost. Once many could "write"/read them, and they were meant for long term archival use (at least many seem to have been archived). As easy as it was for them, and as important as they thought these documents were, we are unable to read them. They thought it was good for long term storage, but we haven't a clue as to how to read them. What is so different about computer archives, no matter how simple it seems to us, that ours wouldn't suffer the same fate.
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The ancient Egyptians were by all measures a fairly advanced society for their place in history, yet the only reason we know how to read their heiroglyphic writings is because we found teh Rosetta Stone that basically translated it for us. Again, you cannot assume English will be known in the future.
Same point. The Egyptians thought it was good enough, and easy enough, for use as a long term archive (see all the obelisks they made). We still lost the understanding of how to understand them. How much simpler can you get than "cartoons" carved in stone? Yet we still lost the ability to read them for a thousand+ years. Will there be a Rosetta stone to help future people to understand a long lost CP/M archive? I don't care how "simple" you think a storage format is, it won't help it in the long run. The archive should be for our own use, not some theoretical idiot 2000 years from now trying to boot a Kaypro. He's probably going to have a whole different set of problems with an archive than we could conceive; like locating the "any" key.
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