On 6/22/2010 11:14 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 6/21/10 5:40 PM, A. Christoff Baumann wrote:
I have
no problem with that at all. If they DON'T WANT to, that's
fine. What I have a problem with is the knee-jerk reaction of "SMT ==
HARD", which is complete and utter bullshit.
Not everybody has access to a teacher as patient and as learned as you.
That's just the thing, though...everyone does. Free (and very good!)
instructional videos abound, along with scads of advice on the subject.
Mentors are everywhere. And I myself will help anyone who asks.
It's really not the same as having someone show you. There's a big
difference between being taught in-person in an interactive manner and
having some shaky low-res video one-way instruction on youtube.
Yes, there's scads of advice. That's part of the problem. Everyone
says something different, there's no consensus and this leads to
confusion and frustration for average joe.
It's great
you found it easy, and have the skills to teach others. Don't call
"bullshit" just because you've found it isn't hard. Others have found
it hard, and you can't discount their experiences.
I'm calling bullshit because all I see, eveyrwhere, is a knee-jerk
reaction of people screaming about SMT and about how impossible it is
Since this BS was dumped in my lap originally, let me respond. First, I
think your assumption that my (our?) reasons for not liking/not being
good at SMT stuff is simply a knee-jerk reaction is unfair. Since you
are Mr. helpful, instead of trying to inflame the situation, why not
simply ask what the issues are? Try posting some valuable links. Or
some encouraging remarks.
No, we get, "BULLSHIT", "you don't need expensive tools",
"your eyesight
doesn't matter." and attacked. On one hand we hear "wrong tools", and
in the next we hear that almost any soldering iron will work.
As A. Christoff Baumann pointed out, it's great that you've found it
easy. Fantastic. I'm happy for you. For the rest of us mortals, these
things are hard --- and yes, I've tried and my experience wasn't great.
It was an 8-pin SOIC memory chip. I was soldering onto a surfboard.
It worked, actually the first time, but I found it pretty tricky and the
pitch was HUGE by any standard. When I look at these other chips with
tens of pins -> hundreds of pins, I'm intimidated. They are
ridiculously close together, and my soldering iron tip looks pretty big
next to it.
I almost NEVER have a need to do SMT. So not only do I not have a need
to practice --- the return on investment is low. Why spend so much time
practicing when there are clearly other better/faster/easier methods of
obtaining the same (or better) result? Especially when I need a result
every couple years?
Many people who have already obtained a skill love to claim that what
they do is "easy." It makes them look like gods in the eyes of the
uninitiated.
I'm a pool player. 9-ball is my game. I can break and run a rack of
9-ball on a pretty regular basis. Is it hard? For me? Not really. I do
it all the time. How many other people in this forum can do this? I
think most people would consider it a "hard task." My 17 years as a
player helps this "hard task" become and look "easy." Ok, sure, this
is
computer forum, but do you see the analogy?
Dave: how about a little perspective here?
I've had great success with SMT, so when I see
people having trouble
with it, I try to help. When I see someone complaining about it, my
motivation is to ask them what they're seeing and offer advice.
Really? Was that your motivation this time?
How about giving us a break?
Keith