replying to ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> Nice! There's been a resurgence in
appreciation of the "classics".
The 5160 I just mentioned with 4 floppy drive
How did you accomplish that?
- a controller that honors all 4 drive selects, not just 2
- primary & secondary disk controller
- Compaticard or other disk controller
at "non-standard" address & IRQ?
Actually, I forgot about the scond disk controller, which means the thing
can actually have 6 floppy drives. However, the last 2 are not accessible
from MS-DOs, only from special softwate.
As for the 4 normal drives, I have the original IBM controller board.
This has an edge conenctor at the front fro a nromal cable (with the 'IBM
twist') to connect it to the 2 internal 360K (full height) 5.25" drives.
On the rear bracket of that controller is a DC37 connector which takes
another cable with an 'IBM twist' to link to 2 exteranal 720K 3.5" drives.
[...]
MDA and CGA
cards,
Dual display? What programs support that?
Well, MS-DOS for a start, along with BASIC. And quite a few other things
besides.
From what I rememebr, and I am not going to pull the
case now, the
boards in this machine are :
-- A clone XT multi-IO card, modified. This provides 2 of the serial
ports, a parallel port, a joystick port, and originally a floppy
controller. I replaced the single chip for that with a pin-compatible
PC/AT disk controller chip, changed the clock crystal, and modified the
address decoding to put it ant another address. This is the 'extra' disk
cotnroller that I ahve hooked up to a pair of 8" drives
-- A I2C interface (Elektor design), based o nthe PCF8584 chip
-- Hard disk controller
-- MDA card
-- CGA card
-- Standard floppy controller
-- Dual serial card
-- 8255 24 line user port (Maplin kit)
Of course I've done the normal modification ot the motherboard to put
640K of RAM on there.
For those of us USING the stuff at the time,
we were always upgrading it piece by piece.
That's why it's so hard to find one with all original parts.
I was quite lucky. I managed to find another PC/XT (IBM 5160) which was
_all_ original IBM. From what I recall, it has a CGA card, floppy
controller, Async serial card, parallel card, one 360K floppy drive
and.... the expansion unit contianing 2 hard drives and the controller
for them. Oh, and origianl IBM 5153 CGA monitor too.
A PDP8/e with 32K words of real core
Do the boards have clear plastic for you to see the cores?
I think so. If not, I've got plenty of other machines where you get to
see the cores.
That's such a treat: true non-volatile memory!
Indeed... Non volatile, but reading is destructive :-)
> My high school started everyone with
programming BASIC
> on the HP 9820A:
I find that hard to believe for one good reason.
The HP9820 never ran BASIC...
You got me there.
It was kinda almost similar to BASIC.
Itwould probably be caleld BASIC these days, becasue so many languages
seem to be :-(
I got a HP-28C when it was new and it's still my primary calculator.
I bought the first 28C I saw -- back when it was new, and I was an
undergrad at the time. Really cut into my budget. A few yers later, I
ordered a 48SX the day it was announced, that machine cured the major
problem I had with the 28C, namely no way to back it up (the 48SX hasa
serial port, of course).
nd then some yeras later I made the big mistake of buying a 49G. That
machine was not, IMHO 'of merchantable quality' when I bought it. There
were so many bugs in the first few ROM releases (flash upgradable,
thankfully). Heck, the version that was in the machine when I bought it
would return a dot product when you executed the cross product function.
Advertised features simply did not exist in the first few ROM versions.
What makes it worse is that I wrote a letter of complaint to HP. They
didn't bother to reply. I sent them a further letter, enclosing IRCs.
They didn't reply again. And for that reason. while I will happily
restore and use classic HP amchines, I will never buy another new product
from them. I do not deal with companies who ignore
their customers.
I really need that 4 line display to use RPN so I can
see the stack.
Yes, it is very useful, as is the arbirary size stack of any types of
object (the older machines had a 4 level stack of real numbers only). Not
many machines allow you to build up a string on the stack, and then
execute it as a program.
-tony