5 Nov
2011
5 Nov
'11
3:21 p.m.
On 11/05/2011 05:42 PM, leaknoil wrote:
No. You don't know what you're talking about because, first, you
took exception to a very well-known situation that keeps popping up on
eBay (VS4000-96s selling at high prices) and asked for an explanation,
and rejected the (correct) explanation that you were given because you
thought it was unreasonable. (something that doesn't change the facts)
*bzzzt* Clueless alert #1.
Next, you took exception to the notion that the military runs
hardware that was made before last week, and loudly asserted that the
idea of the military "still" running VAXen is either untrue or a bad
idea. (it's neither)
*bzzzt* Clueless alert #2.
After that, you suggested that *I* don't know what I'm talking about
because I know that the military runs VAXen (ha, I installed some of
them!) and believe that it's ok to do so.
*bzzzt* Clueless alert #3.
Next, you apparently assumed that my "four Ubuntu installs within the
past week" meant "four total" (it was in the past six days), and that
they were desktops. They weren't. This doesn't set off the clueless
alert; you can't expect to know what my day-to-day activities are, so
I'll let you off for free on that one.
Next, you latch onto someone's mention of a VERY old release of VMS,
which happens to be rock solid (if a bit slow), and assert that, oh good
heavens, there are bugs in it. Surprise, there are bugs in everything!
I challenge you to break into one. You won't. (but if somehow you
do, I'll send you a case of your favorite beer, seriously)
*bzzzt* Clueless alert #4.
It's less
a matter of being full of ourselves and more a matter of
knowing something about the subject matter under discussion, which you
pretty obviously don't. There's a lot more to computing than httpd+php
on The Intarwebs, and there are a lot more VMS systems out there than
you seem to think, if you think all it amounts to is obscurity.
The most important thing a person can know is the limits of their own
knowledge. I suggest you work on that. You probably won't, though,
because you seem to think you know everything about everything.
Personally, I believe that you know a great deal, but the simple fact
is you don't know a damn thing about this particular topic.
So, you are saying a VMS 5 server is more secure than a Debian server ?
Let me get this straight for the record. I am don't know what I am
talking about because I am wrong about that ? Maybe a nice easy to understand graph pie chart will
help some of the
caveman here understand. The red slice of pie is not cherry. Its bad.
You can't eat it.
http://secunia.com/advisories/graph/?type=sol&period=all&prod=2949
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/2949/?task=advisories
That's nice...Instead of quoting someone else's numbers, howabout
some direct experience? I was a VMS sysadmin for years, did lots of VAX
MACRO programming in the process, and *I* can't crack a
properly-configured VMS machine from the network. Can you? If you can,
I'll publicly concede, with no hesitation, that you have bigger balls,
AND I'll send you a case of your favorite beer. Until then, shut your
clueless mouth.
And by the way, when did the conversation turn from VMS in general
(which is a current, maintained OS) to a 20+-year-old release? How
"secure" (whatever that means) would, say, Redhat 4 be?
VMS may not be whiz-bang shiny and exciting to today's crop of
clove-smoking vegetarian twenty-somethings who spend their day hacking
together Python and Ruby on Rails scripts for web apps, but it was built
from the ground up as a commercial OS with rock-solid
reliability and
security as a primary consideration. Like anything else, there are
bugs
in it. But the simple fact remains that it's damn near the hardest to
break into of any of the common OSs that anyone knows about.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA