Tony, does a
week ever pass where you don't feel the inescapable urge to
flame those who work at museums, regardless of their knowledge, ability and
track record?
Ah... no, only where their track record seems to be known that said
individuals were not capable of dealing with (let alone preserving)
historical data & hardware... even I saw that!
I am happy to accept that clueful museum people exist. The problem is
that I have met far too few of them. This may vary by country, because of
what's expected of a museum in various places (over here, I believe it
has to be 'accessible to all'. This doesn't just mean the reasonable
thing that everybody, including, say, those in wheelchairs, have to be
able to get round it. It also means, essentially, it has to be terminally
dumbed down).
Since classic computers are difficult to transport (large, heavy,
delicate, etc) _if_ I was going to leave any part of my collection to a
meuseum, it would have to be one that's fairly local. And I can't think
of one that I regard as suitable (I would love to be proved wrong...)
[...]
You are rude
and insulting. Yes, damned rude even.
Wot? OMG! Say it ain't so!?! I thought the US had a lock on rude
induhviduals.... 'course, at times (more times, recently...), I think I
happen to be one of them as well....
Oh no... I can be as rude as you want :-)
[...]
And I've been called an idiot by ARD on at least
one occasion (probably
much more than that ;-)... why? Because in his eyes, I am. There are a
lot of machines I own that I can't do chip-level repair on... On said
Well, then it's high time I aught you how to do component level repair :-)
machines, I'm a board-swapper. I do own machines
that he would be
reduced to the same level - he chooses not to own those machines. I do.
You know, even with a modern PC, I doubt I'd be a real board-swapper, Oh,
I'd probably end up replacing a board, becuae there's not a lot you can
do when all the logic is in a couple of BGA-packaged ASICs. But I would
make darn sure I knew what was really wrong first.
Guess what. As far as electronics repair... and you can quote me on
this: "I am an idiot." If I won the lottery tomorrow and could retire &
play with hobbies 24x7, I probably wouldn't be able to learn enough
about electronics troubleshooting & repair to hold a candle to ARD. (Not
to mention chemistry, metalwork or quantum physics...) I'm OK with that.
Quantum physics? Surely you jest. I may have a bit of paper that gives me
a qaualficiation in aprticle physics, but I can assure you the work I did
involved things like transputers, FAST, ECL, occam, microcode, etc and
not things like quarks and leptons.
I do better than most, worse than some others.
Sterling to doughnuts
(Hell, I'd take farthings to doughnuts... yes, I have some, yes, you'd
get the better deal!) tho, I probably know a lot more about driving
lorry (despite our steering wheels being on the wrong side... ;-) heavy
COnsdierign I have never learnt to drive a car, you are certainly right here.
equipment[1], routing protocols, homebrewing and
candlemaking... so on
Yep right again. Well, assuming 'homebrewing' means making beer [1] and not
homebrewing computer hardware. In the latter case, I think it's debatable
if you know more than me :-)
[1] Actually, I don't much care for beer [2]
[2] Notice I am expressing a personal opinion here. I am not saying that
those who do like to drink beer are idiots or not worth bothering with,
or... I am not suggesting that pubs should be closed down.
those subjects, he's the idiot. ;-) Suffice to
say, I doubt he's
offended. If he is, he can reply & say so. ;-)
Why on earth would I be offended by that? I can name a dozen -- no more
than that -- subjects that I know next-to-nothing about. And I'll bet
that for at least some of them there are people here who have
considerable knowledge. So what? Heck, I can think of plenty of classic
computers where others here know a lot more than me.
My problem is not with people who have limited knowledge in a particular
area and realise that. They may well not need or want to know any more
about that subject,, or they may want to learn about it. Either way, no
problem. No, what I have a problem with is people who have a limited
knowledge but end up doing a job that requires said knowledge, to the
detriment of others (or in this case, to the detriment of computer
preservation)
[...]
And, for those who say that ARD "keeps all the
info instead of sharing"
--> he shares with the list everything he can, as often as he can, and
as well as he can with the equipment he owns.
Yes, he doesn't own a current scanner (partly because he can't fix it at
the discrete component level, which I may not agree with but is his
right) and may not have high-speed Internet access (again - still his
right - I have relatives that just recently got *electricity*), just
Also remember that while _I_ don't own a scanner, this doesn't mean that
things I produce can never be scanned. It's happeend many times in the
past, and it will happen in the future (I hope).
because his form of help "works around"
these limitations, doesn't mean
it's not help. He's extremely helpful, even if it's calling someone an
idiot. Myself, I've been "helped" in the past by ARD in such manner, and
even helped a couple others in a similar manner. ;-)
I try to reply to _every_ personal e-mail on a subject that I might
reasonably be expected to have some information (clasisc computing,
electronics, etc). The reply may well be 'Oh, I am not the person to ask
about that, you might want to contact $expert'. Or Imight suggest what
book or manual to look in. Or whatever. But I will try and reply.
There is one point though. If the answer requires a significant amount of
work on my part (e.g. I have to dig out a machine, dismantle it, set it
up, make masurements, etc), I will still probalby do it _sometime_, but
it's when I feel like it. If you want a next-day consultancy service, you
can darn well pay for it :-).
> Not many of his contributions are relevant to my interests but I for one
> certainly appreciate the time he spends helping the folks on here, in
> the HP community and elsewhere
One minor point. The term 'HP community' apparently has a specific
meaning, it's a group of people that I am told I am not, and never will
be, a mamber of. This doesn't stop me fixing old HP machines and sharing
information on how to do so.
[...]
I must say, that:
1) if you need help, ARD will always take time to help. It may not be
the help you "expect," but in the end you should *learn* from it. If you
don't, it's not ARD's fault. ;-)
Thank you... Be warned, ig you ask me to help you diagnose a hardware
fault, even if I am pretty sure I know what component is causing the
problem, i will almost certainly get you to make measurements to prove
it. That way, you (hopefully) get to learn how to trace faults yourself
next time. Not because I don't want to be bothered, but because I would
like this knowledge to be preserved.
[1] Yes, the backhoe I owned was built in England
(JCB) & the owner's
manual _was_ in the Queen's English -- first time I'd seen
"Anti-clockwise" (versus - 'counter-') and "Dazzled" (when
your
high-beams / bright headlights are on) in print... ;-)
Often the 'high beams' are known as 'main beams' over here. As opposed to
'dipped beams/headlights'. The swtich to select between them is the
'dipper switch' or 'dip swtich'. The original (trade?) name for a twin
filamanet headlight bulb was a 'double dipper'.
Incidentally, what word would you generally used for 'dazzled'?
[2] Raise your hands -- who on this list are still
part of the "Top 20?"
(/me...) ARD is right there... Sellam as well, but he's been quite
silent on the list lately[3]... It would be interesting to see Bill's
original records to see who were the first to sign up... Is that info
even available anymore?
All I can remember is that when I joined you had to send an e-mail giving
the reasons why you wanted to be on the list, your interests, etc.
-tony