12 Mar
2013
12 Mar
'13
12:04 p.m.
On 03/12/2013 02:40 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
"Fundies" is the brand name of "underwear built for two" that I saw
in
a gag gift store once when I was a teenager. Needless to say, I laughed
aloud when I read this. ;)
So, please
watch yourself, and your assumptions. "Homos" is no more
"hate speech" than "magic sky-pixie", etc.
A fair point.
Talking to fundies, I have found that they are by their very nature
incapable of understanding and responding to rational argument -
because the essential nature of fundamentalist belief is irrational,
and therefore, they cannot be reasoned with. However, they are human,
and they can be shocked or startled. So, for instance, they love their imaginary invisible
friend and want
me to love the imaginary friend too.
I could care less who you do or do not love. I know your beef is with
Mr. Tofu, but painting everyone with so broad a brush is something that
you might reconsider.
They are incapable of mentally
holding the thought that their imaginary friend does not exist - this
is why many fundies claim that all atheists /secretly/ believe in
their imaginary friend and are just /saying/ that said atheist does
not believe in him/her/it/them.
Broad brush, etc. Personally, I examined my own beliefs, as I was
raised with them, and made a conscious decision based on my examination.
And since fundies are too conditioned, too
brain-washed, or just too
stupid to be persuaded or reasoned with, and since I do not want to
speak to them, hear from them, know anything more about their myths,
or have anything to do with them whatsoever, then shutting them up is
my primary objective.
It is not the case that everyone who is not an atheist is
"brainwashed". RELIGIOUS people maybe, but not simply non-atheists.
(Religious people are NUTS...those fuckers start wars and stuff!)
I have communicated privately with "Chris
Tofu". I know him to be a
nasty, bigoted, hate-filled fundamentalist - and really very stupid to
boot. So all I wish to do is shut him up.
You're a pretty hate-filled person yourself, as you detail in this
email. Just sayin'..
...
So, when they ask me if I respect their views, the
answer can only be
that I respect their views exactly as much as they respect mine.
The difference being, of course, that my views are based on evidence,
reason and logic.
You make the assumption that anyone who is not an atheist has no
evidence, reason, nor logic. That is not the case. I (personally) have
my own reasons. They are none of your business, but they are very real,
well-reasoned, have been critically examined, and I'm quite comfortable
with them. You may not reach the same conclusions for your own self,
but that's ok.
I give as I get. I have been called evil, subhuman, a
liar, a genocide
and so on.
Not by me, you haven't. Again, broad brushes..
Why then should I be polite? Should I claim to
respect
beliefs that I actually despise?
Why would you *despise* a belief that you don't even share? That's
not (as you say below) "athiest" or "anti-theist", that's
"anti-theistic
PEOPLE".
"Chris Tofu" is not so capable. If you are,
Dave, then cool, we'll
have no problem.
We'll have no problem either way, as long as you don't slam me for my
beliefs. If you do, you're in for it...because I can just as easily
slam you for yours. I have reasons for my beliefs, just as you do, and
I'm just as prepared to back them up as you are.
So, I believe by definition we have no problem.
But I'm not going to lie to you. I am not merely
proudly atheist, I am
openly antitheist.
That's nice. I'm not. And that's ok.
You are quite militant about your atheism. I respectfully submit that
this is no better than fundamentalist religious nutbags who
automatically hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to THEIR religion,
simply because they don't, and for no other reason. I respectfully
submit that there is absolutely no difference between these two
attitudes, and neither of them makes one fucking bit of sense.
I'm gonna go boot up a PDP-8.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA