Dan Roganti wrote:
I don't see why new users can't enjoy the same
original hardware as
those of use who grew up on this. I disagree with using newer
technologies up to a certain point. Whether you want to restore some
files with a modern disk drive because you might be without enough
equipment or build a new cpu design by mixing in modern components.
Access is one reason. As in lack of. If you can't find a working
machine, or restore a broken one to working state, either because
they're difficult to find, expensive, you might not have room or power
enough to run one, etc.
I think you get to experience the thoughts and nuances when using
original parts in a computer design created 30/40 yrs ago - as in, how
to test,program,debug,etc the original hardware. What's the point in
restoring vintage equipment of you like to 'circumvent' the original
design by using something which didn't exist for that particular era.
Simple.
Those of us who use modern machines like to upgrade them.
Something that is no longer made, no longer supported is hard to
upgrade. So that builds a new market for those that wish to provide
upgrades for those that wish to use them. It's anachronistic, sure, but
go take a look at the Newton Planet mailing list. Yes, there are *MANY*
who still use Newtons to this day and have upgraded to them in various ways.
There are still many Apple ][ and Commodore fans. Upgrades such as
ethernet cards and new storage devices are very welcomed in those circles.
As in the case of using a replacement modern drive to
sustain an
existing system, is reasonable, but it's more fun to find something
original afterwards. It might be expensive for some to buy 8" floppy
drives now, but you can still get 5-1/4" floppy drives inexpensively.
The alternative drive systems using faster drives and GB of storage ,
I think, just loses appeal with the aspect of restoring vintage
hardware - I think it shows you have less patience for old hardware.
There you go.
Now take the next logical step - wouldn't it be nice to
have some sort of networking? Ok, let's assume you've said yes, maybe
you didn't, but for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume so.
What about wireless networking? Maybe you don't want to run wires all
over the house.
Some of these older machines had serial ports for RS232 or RS422. Well
those are rare, so maybe you have to use USB to Serial cables. Okay,
what about going the other way, what if you built a serial port for the
older machine? What could you do then?
What if the keyboard breaks, or you have a machine without one? Would
you object to building an interface to a modern keyboard? Of course
having the original keyboard, and one that actually works is the desired
thing, but say they're unobtainium. Rather than have a machine that you
can't do much with, isn't it better to have an interface available?
Sure it's not the same, but is it better than doing without? Some would
say no, my personal feeling is go for it until you find an original
keyboard and manage to restore it.
It's so easy to mix in modern components in an IC design - heaven
forbid if people want to gut their transistors machines and install a
cards replaced with 7474 dual FF chips. Using modern technology is the
easy way out - try learning how it was done then. I do think some
people like to wonder at work involved with the vintage technology still.
Yup. Now it doesn't mean that the machine is now an accurate
description of one of that era. It's been modified and adapted. That's
not necessarily a bad thing, for some it absolutely is.
I don't mind either way, but that doesn't mean I'd apply
destructive/irreversible changes to my classic machines. But this last
point is just my own personal preference and doesn't reflect everyone's.
(There are those that have re-purposed classic computer cases as
fishtanks or lamps, or to house newer computers for example.)
Now let's take it further out, say you have a very old machine with rare
parts that you just couldn't repair or replace. And you wanted to play
around with that machine's software for many hours and , in doing so,
you might risk causing damage to the mechanical components (say floppy
drive or hard drive, and you had no spares). Now let's also add: say
there was an accurate emulator for it, would you fire up the original
hardware, or fire up the emulator? Sure you might fire up the actual
hardware once a year or two, to be sure that it's still working. But
would you risk using it for hours and days on end when an emulator was
available, knowing you couldn't replace or repair the hardware?
What if you didn't own the machine at all and had no chance to obtain
one (or they were very expensive, and you aren't rich and couldn't
justify spending over $5000), and didn't know anyone who had one that
would be willing to let you play with, but you wanted to know more about
it and experience it, would you object to using an emulator? Or would
just save yourself that experience until some undetermined amount of
time later to play with one? Even though the chances of finding one
would get smaller and smaller over time?