--- Doc Shipley <doc at mdrconsult.com> wrote:
  --- On Thu, 5/8/08, Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at
wmata.com> 
 wrote:
> That's not bad at all compared to some of the 
 stuff
 > I've bought over Ebay. I've been
pretty
> disappointed
> at some of the 50 or 70 pound lab instruments 
 that look
 > to be in perfect pristine condition before
 they're
 > shipped 
 A couple years ago, I bought a Heath/Zenith Z-19
 terminal from eBay. I was in my house one day, and
 heard a loud >WHAM!< from the front door.
 Investigating, I found a large cardboard box on the
 porch, and a mark in the dust on the door where the
 box had hit it. They must have thrown the box to get
 it to hit the door like that, and make that much
 noise. The box was a thick walled computer monitor
 box, originally from a 17" ViewSonic. Inside, the
 terminal was very well packaged, with that stiff
 form-fitting instant foam-in-a-bag stuff (no, I don't
 know what it's called...) The terminal was intact
 externally, however some of the heavier parts had
 broken free inside. After a bit of cleaning, it worked
 fine. I still need to glue some of those internal
 mounting posts back on...
 With the treatment that UPS seems to give it's
 packages, I'm amazed that any gear ever arrives
 functional!
 On a side note, I once worked someplace where we dealt
 with computer equipment coming off lease. We basically
 handled the recovery and resale of it. We would ship
 out empty boxes full of packing material, complete
 with shipping labels for the return shipment.
 Customers would receive the box, pack the equipment
 with the supplied foam, and return it. Simple, right?
 For computer monitors, we shipped out large 20x20x20
 boxes. Inside was enough foam packing material to fill
 the box - without the monitor inside. It was
 resiliant, soft foam, in chunks and sheete. Probably
 not the best packing material in the world, but
 decent.
 I think maybe 75% of the monitors were not useable by
 the time they got back to us. In most cases, they were
 just poorly packed. Which doesn't seem possible
 considering we supplied plenty of material to pack
 them in. Some arrived with the monitor simply tossed
 into the box, with no effort made to put the packing
 material around it. (Screen up, shoved in). Others
 came back with almost no packing material at all -
 even though the box was full when it left. Other boxes
 arrived with the monitor, screen against the bottom of
 the box, foam thrown on top of it. Shattered monitor
 housings, broken picture tubes, we got it all. The
 ones that survived were packed properly - monitor
 wrapped in the supplied plastic bag, with foam on all
 sides, wedged securely into the box with the monitor
 in the center.
 Also, with companies that were returning a lot of
 equipment, we would send individual boxes for
 everything - even laptops. Laptop boxes were smaller,
 sturdier, and included plenty of foam as well. Since
 the machines were being returned with their carrying
 case most of the time, they survived fine, regardless
 of packing. But, we also got things back "combined"
 into the monitor box or PC box. Laptops crushed by the
 17" monitor they were mispackaged with. Two PC's
 crammed into a box intended for one, etc.
 No amount of instructions and supplied materials are
 enough for some people.
 -Ian
 
How's this for a horror story?  A few months back, I bought a really
nice IMSAI dual 8" floppy drive system from someone on eBay.  It set
me back $2000.00.  A couple of weeks later, it shows up at my doorstep
via FedEx ground in a disturbingly small box.  I quickly open it up to
find that, other than a sheet of bubble wrap thrown on top, there was
no packing at all.  And as a result, the drive had taken quite a
beating in transit, resulting in one of the drive doors being crushed
beyond repair (
).  An
irreplaceable piece of computing history destroyed because someone was
too lazy to properly pack it.
-Mardy