30 Apr
2016
30 Apr
'16
11:43 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:53:40AM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
Diane
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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Diane Bruce <db at
db.net> wrote:
To be clear, I never said it did make it any higher level.
Now on that we furiously agree. One problem has
been getting that through
to people who insist that C is still a high level assembler and has
not changed from the time when it was a hand crafted recursive descent
LR to the modern compiler with all the lovely optimisations we can do.
Sure, the compilers are way better than they were back then. That
doesn't make the language itself any higher level. The semantic level of the language and the level of abstraction it
provides have barely
changed, so the language itself is still a mostly portable substitute
We have for all but specialized applications taken the procrustean approach
and our processors mostly have started to fit the language.
I remember being related a story from when I was working for
CDC Canada of a Unix port that was done for one of the Cybers. They
essentially emulated a PDP-11 then ported unix on top of that. *shudder*
Oddly, C is not a good fit for the Transputer.
for assembly language. As Chuck points out, it
isn't a good substitute
for any particular CISC assembly language, but then those aren't
portable at all.
Also to be clear, I also agreed with that statement.
Are we talking at cross purposes or what? My point is simple.
We cannot use the same outdated ideas we used to use for 'C'
that we used 40 years ago today. Compilers have improved.
Know your tools. And that's all I have said.