On Jun 25, 2015, at 1:49 PM, tony duell <ard at
p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> ...
I still have a photo copied out of the 1980s
magazine RSTS Professional, which claimed to show how to convert
thick to thin Ethernet. The simple answer is ?with a coax connector adapter? since both
are 50 ohm coax. The
Err, yes :-). The BNC-N adapter is very useful :-). More seriously, I've seen
thickwire transceivers that
had a pair of N connectors (not a beesting tap) fitted with BNC-N adapters and ues on
thinwire. Technically
that is wrong, there is a minor difference in the transceiver spec (I forget what, but
the data sheet for at
least one of the transceiver ICs pointed it out), but in will work.
I see a slight difference in the input current spec of the receiver part of the
transceiver. 250 uA instead of 25 uA. That makes some small amount of sense given the
smaller station count.
article instead used a thinwire T connector, with
the terminator still on it. As Tony points out, terminators go at
ARGH! Ethernet is more touchhy than most as IIRC the transmitter is a current source, the
receiver effectively
senses the voltage across the terminator. A collision is too high a voltage. So ethernet
can't work with
incorrect termination.
That's why DEC had you put 2 terminators on a T piece on the ethernet BNC connector
of a VAXstation (or
whatever) to get it to pass diagnostics. WIth a network that short you are not going to
get detectable
reflection problems, but if you only had one terminator, every transmission would be a
collision.
Good point, collisions are not reflections, though reflections will be interpreted as
collisions.
Your comment about measuring voltages reminds me of a network monitoring device DEC built,
and almost turned into a product. This was mainly for thickwire, though it would work on
thinwire too. The intent was to map stations by their physical position on the cable.
The approach was to put voltage measuring devices at both terminators, and record the
observed voltage levels for packets from a given MAC address. The voltage ratios at the
two ends would tell you where the station is, provided the coax is reasonably uniform.
And the ranking of those ratios would pretty accurately show you the station order even if
the cable isn?t all that uniform.
I?m not sure why this wasn?t shipped. Perhaps it was around the time that structured
wiring and star-based wiring with lots of repeaters started to come out, displacing the
long bus topologies of the original Ethernet.
paul