On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <CAA3rs22ReLLAgWPi_iQr2mqBUT95HyGo37CRdkb=tb_4Cr8LRA at
mail.gmail.com>,
? ?Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> writes:
take forever and would be pretty expensive and
the quality is not the best
"pretty expensive"?!?
I don't know why you guys keep saying 3D printer stuff is expensive
because all the people who operate them tell me that it's extremely
cheap. ?(Like a few cents to print a toggle switch.) ?There are at
least 3 in our maker group that have 3D printers.
I have built several printers and organize activities and lecture on
the topic. I am not a doomsayer - I think 3D printing is really cool
and I am especially excited about under-$2K-USD models to get the
technology into the hands of people like the members of this list.
That said, it's not a magic bullet, it's not cheap as chips, but for
the situations where it's a good fit, it's cheaper than many
traditional manufacturing techniques including bypassing the
mold-making costs of injection molding, the labor costs of traditional
machining, and since shapes are freely shared on sites like
Thingiverse, even sometimes bypassing the expense of skilled labor to
design the parts in the first place. It fits a niche between one-off
hand-made prototypes and true mass production. If you need exactly 1
or if you need thousands/millions, there are other ways to accomplish
your task. If you want dozens or if you want minor customizations
that don't map well to economies of scale, it can be a less expensive
choice than endless engineering revisions.
As for straight dollar cost per item, it depends entirely on the size
of the object and the printing technology. Hobby-grade FDM (filament
deposition modelling) printers are coarse but inexpensive. The
filament is typically plastic welding rod in 3mm or 1.75mm diameters
and can be purchased for as little as $12USD/lb. A toggle switch is
indeed cheap, but because the output nozzle is about 0.3mm-0.5mm, it
will have a coarse texture. Sintered powder printers produce smoother
results for a higher cost (don't have exact numbers, but not $12/lb).
Stereolithography produces very nice high-res results, but the resin
costs $200 per *liter*. I just did some calculations for someone, and
a solid badge 50mm x 50mm x 6mm (2"x2"x1/4") is about $3.50 USD just
in resin.
Hobby grade printers are also smaller than professional printers. I
have some DEC papertape trays - they are about 8"x10" and hold several
sets of papertape in partitioned bays. Mine are cast acrylic, though
I think I may have seen some once made of vacuformed ABS with an
acrylic lid. A hollow box with sidewalls at least 1mm thick and a
floor at least 3mm thick (so that you have several layers of filaments
to bond together for strength) that's 8"x10"x1" is going to weigh
several ounces and won't fit on most hobby-grade printers. The
MakerBot CupCake (somewhat common with several thousand made) has a
100mm^2 (4"x4") bed... too small. Various RepRap models can print up
to about 200mm^2 (8"x8") - a bit smaller than the trays I've seen, but
you might be able to make something work. I don't have a shape to run
through my calculation tools, but based on the badge price, printing a
tray with Stereolithography would run at least $30 in resin alone, and
probably closer to $50. These are open-topped designs, BTW, a base,
sides, and partition walls - it skips the problem of support material,
etc., to allow printing a lid.
Vacuforming a tray should cost no more than a few dollars each, once
you have a tool large enough to pull a form around 8"x10".
Oh... and I forgot slow... a medium-sized item, something that fits in
the palm of your hand, can take 2 hrs to print on a hobby-grade FDM
printer. Stereolithography often is rated as to how many millimeters
per hour the part can "grow" (one entire layer is done as one action,
so it matters little for printing time how extensive each layer is and
matters greatly for how many total layers there are). I would budget
several hours to print something 8"x10" on a RepRap. Each.
It would be faster (but probably not cheaper) to CNC mill a tray out
of a single block of plastic - HDPE (high density polyethylene) for
example. Unfortunately, unless you are buying scrap, it's going to be
many dollars for a slab of plastic that thick.
Time-Cost-Quality - pick two.
-ethan